MAM Vs. Thunder Mani pics

The testing sounds fine to me.

Turbo is not as adversely affected by changes in air pressure because it is a small factor at boost. Those factors you posted are for lightly modded n/a cars only.
Air pressure is 14.7 psi at sea level, for every half mile or so you go up it drops 1psi. 0 on the boost gauge is what ever atmospheric pressure is, then boost is counted on top of that. 10psi at sea level isnt the same as 10psi at 5280ft, 24.7psi vs 22.7psi. So you see the difference on a turbo car at 10psi is still so much less that an n/a car. You are talking a 13.6% loss of air pressure on an n/a car, but only 8% on that 10psi turbo car. At 18psi, it's only a 6% loss,and so on. The more boost you run, the less fator you get.
Why do you think the Top Fuel cars set records at the sticky tracks on cool days? Because at the 40lbs of boost they run, there is very little factor and track conditions and air temperature are bigger factors.

It's the same reason turbo cars make big power at elevated dynos. The correction factor is not accurate. I race all over, and mostly at elevation.
All the turbo guys I race with know the deal, alomost nobody around here tries to go fast n/a because it's such a handicap at this altitude. In the summer we see density altitudes as high as 6000+ft.
 
Umm.....This discussion is nice and all...but it really needs its own thread.

Its no wonder we cant find good info on a search..Its buried in a thread that really has nothing to do with it.
C'mon people..It really doesn't matter at this point...I was just showing the Physical differences of them since no one else had the teo side by side.
 
I don't have anything to add here but I just wanted to say...how interesting and informative this thread turned out to be.

Just goes to show what experience, knowledge and most of all respect mixed all together can equate.
 
Umm.....This discussion is nice and all...but it really needs its own thread.

Its no wonder we cant find good info on a search..Its buried in a thread that really has nothing to do with it.
C'mon people..It really doesn't matter at this point...I was just showing the Physical differences of them since no one else had the teo side by side.

Ya I know what your saying...maybe get a mod to tweak the title of the thread.
 
Nothing to be sorry for..and there is some good info here...But it seems that it was starting to become a battle...and thats not what we need here.

Spreading and sharing good info is great.....But lets not turn it into a pissing contest.

People were starting to get a little defensive in their posts....Slightly heated responses ya' know.
 
Nothing to be sorry for..and there is some good info here...But it seems that it was starting to become a battle...and thats not what we need here.

Spreading and sharing good info is great.....But lets not turn it into a pissing contest.

People were starting to get a little defensive in their posts....Slightly heated responses ya' know.

Really? Mine were only just luke warm...lol(nana)
 
I'm going to talk with 505zoom and see if he will do the test. You send him a manifold and I'll pay for the dyno. Steedspeed can donate the manifold, you donate your welding time to weld it up and I donate the money for the dyno. Sound good?

I'm more than happy to send one for testing under those conditions. It would cut through a lot of BS. I don't really care one way or the other what the result is but the truth would be a refreshing change from personal opinions. (even mine lol!)
 
Ok so we have the MAM manifold (mine), and steed is down to provide his for testing. I would be willing to test it and send it back... or if someone who is buying one would be interested in donating it for the test, it could be sent to me and then I will send it to the buyer after testing. We need to get a Thunder piece lined up, or it will not be included in the "shootout". RPM should also jump in on this if they want to.

Here is what needs to happen before I can even consider this.

- First and foremost, I need a new secondary injector setup, or I am stuck running max 8-9psi. I will bump it up to 12 with some injectors, and pray that my motor survives. :) I'm already working on getting this lined up.

- We need to get a small donation fund going here so interested parties can pitch in. This is for the benefit of the board, so I don't think this is out of line. If we do all 4 (thunder, steed, MAM, RPM), that is A LOT of wrench time, and a minimum of 12 dyno pulls over 4 sessions... probably closer to 20 pulls. This is going to get expensive. If thunder and RPM don't participate and this is just MAM vs steed, then disregard all that, but it will still be close to 200 bucks for dyno time alone. I don't want to sound like a cheap ass, but I have nothing to gain here, and will not put up anything out of my own pocket for this. I am assuming the risk of blowing my motor, and that is all I can/will contribute here. :)

- I will need someone local to help with filming, and verifying the results. If someone wants to fly here to NM for the testing, then that will work. I can talk to the guys at the dyno and see if they would be willing to put their word up for the verification purposes.

That's all I can think of really, I would rather wait until my motor is built, but that is still an unknown so oh well I guess. (nervous)
 
Pending time frame i have a Brand new THUNDER MANIFOLD.. and donations..i can supply for the match up.....LMK
 
I will contribute to the donations and provide you with a secondary set of injectors. I will need to know what injetors you are running and I will mount them on a 2.5" pipe. From there you will have to adapt it to your setup. I think someone should contact RPM and Thunder to see if they are in
 
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- First and foremost, I need a new secondary injector setup, or I am stuck running max 8-9psi. I will bump it up to 12 with some injectors, and pray that my motor survives. :) I'm already working on getting this lined up.

- We need to get a small donation fund going here so interested parties can pitch in. This is for the benefit of the board, so I don't think this is out of line. If we do all 4 (thunder, steed, MAM, RPM), that is A LOT of wrench time, and a minimum of 12 dyno pulls over 4 sessions... probably closer to 20 pulls. This is going to get expensive. If thunder and RPM don't participate and this is just MAM vs steed, then disregard all that, but it will still be close to 200 bucks for dyno time alone. I don't want to sound like a cheap ass, but I have nothing to gain here, and will not put up anything out of my own pocket for this. I am assuming the risk of blowing my motor, and that is all I can/will contribute here. :)

Have you considered a methanol kit? You can run more boost than with fuel alone. Horsepower Freaks has used this very successfully on their M3 to boost over 700whp on stock internals.

Once tested you can sell the manifold I send to cover costs. (yippy)
 
This could turn out to be really good. I have plans to buy the MAM jigs and might reproduce them.
 
If 505 cant get this done..I would be more than Happy to do testing as well.
I also Have a nice Dyno at my Disposal and I will have my motor built and hopefully back in ,in about 6 weeks.
SO I wont have Limitations on boost other than getting it broke in...Which I may have done on an Engine Dyno...If they can do it.

I am sure that 505 Is more than capable of accomplishing this..But if we want to go higher on the boost..This option is here.
 
I've considered methanol, but it is way down on the priority list at the moment, haha. It should be fine with 101 and the secondaries, I won't push more than 12psi on it and it has held up on that dyno at that level before. I am thinking 3 comparative pulls per manifold, 6psi, 9psi, and 12psi, but we might learn everything we need to know with just 6 and 12. I'll get the operator to start all the pulls at the same RPM to get a good overlay of the runs. I will also leave the tune alone from mani to mani, to get an idea of what (if anything) each one does to the AFR's.

I'm also going to pull some strings and see if I can get a built bottom end lined up for this. It sure would be a nice peace of mind, and would be sweet to see what the differences are all the way up to 20+ psi.
 
...I also Have a nice Dyno at my Disposal and I will have my motor built and hopefully back in ,in about 6 weeks...

Even better then. If someone else steps up with a built motor, I will gladly bow out, lol. Part of me just cringes at the thought of taking out my head and turbo right before the bottom gets built this year.
 
Even better then. If someone else steps up with a built motor, I will gladly bow out, lol. Part of me just cringes at the thought of taking out my head and turbo right before the bottom gets built this year.
Well...I am putting in he Oliver Long rods and Low comression CP pistons...so the CR wont be stock...Slightly lower.

Its totally up to you guys who does what..But either way..Its gonna be a bit before either of us can do it it looks like.
 
Yeah it definitely wouldn't be right away for me, would need at least a few weeks, more likely mid-late feb.

Sick that you are going with the long Olivers and CP setup, still IMO the best combo for us... me's jealous.
 
I have a Steed on order and a Thunder from the 1st GB. There's a possibility that it has the two defects known to that bunch. I don't know for sure though, I haven't attempted to fit it or anything (it has sat in a corner since I got it). The holes would just need to be drilled out to 7/16 and the flange would need to be checked on a straight edge.

My 7 crapped a seal this past summer so it's down for awhile and the MSP is on daily driver duty. Because of that I won't be needing my manifold anytime soon. When the 7 is up and running again I will put away the MSP and tear it down then. Lmk if you guys need my stuff.
 
I have a Steed on order and a Thunder from the 1st GB. There's a possibility that it has the two defects known to that bunch. I don't know for sure though, I haven't attempted to fit it or anything (it has sat in a corner since I got it). The holes would just need to be drilled out to 7/16 and the flange would need to be checked on a straight edge.

My 7 crapped a seal this past summer so it's down for awhile and the MSP is on daily driver duty. Because of that I won't be needing my manifold anytime soon. When the 7 is up and running again I will put away the MSP and tear it down then. Lmk if you guys need my stuff.
Dude....And your local......BTW..Would you ratherI hand deliver you gauge pod..I should be done in a couple of days...Or I can ship as planned.
 

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