ls1 fd drifting

[TampaSport20]

There are fewer moving parts, but they break more often. How many 500HP rotaries have you seen up close and personal? There were ~5 of them around Columbus (where I used to live) that I would see almost weekly. First off, a 500HP rotary sounds OBNOXIOUS! I haven't met one person that ever said, "Damn, that sounds better then that Z06 over there!" If you see any racing videos with "NOCAB" turn up the volume and you'll know what I mean. He didn't even have an extreme port on his. Seeing as how you're in OR and you've mentioned Pineapple Racing before, I assume you know what a ported rotary sounds like. They built pretty much everyone's engines in Columbus.

Also, pushing 500hp on a turbo 13B is asking for trouble. I haven't seen any survive for large amounts of time, especially when compared to an LS1 that runs forever.


So it more innovative to throw more boost at an engine then to engineer an entire engine and tranny swap that leaves the car just as balanced and has a broader powerband?


You're right, and area under the curve matters most. What's the HP and torque curves of a 500HP rotary look like?

I don't hate rotaries, and I'm not trying to flame you. But I do find arguements like, "That's an American POS" ignorant and unfounded, especially when talking about the LS series of engines. All I ever hear ricers say is, "Look at all the work he has in his car. I don't like it, it's ugly as hell, but props on how much time you've put into it. At least it's different." Yet I haven't seen one person take that stance on anything else. Why can't you just appreciate the amount of work that went into this car to make it faster and more reliable, while keeping it as well balanced as it was from the factory?

damn.

 

[Mallard]

I see what you are saying however... and I can appreciate it. I've only done Mazdas in my "tuning life" and you're from Detroit... So we are going to see things differently. lol

Well, I'm not from Detroit. I just moved here in May. I'm not biased towards Detroit muscle, I just don't like arguements that seem to ignore facts in favor of trashing Detroit. I've driven just about every mainstream brand of car and all have their ups and downs. It just seems that a lot of people make generalized statments without ever driving a car, or a certain powertrain.

Yes, any engine pushing 2x it's stock HP is bound to have some problems. But the LS1 can put out two times a rotary's power nearly stock. Add some spray, hello 750 ft-lbs of torque

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Well I would say that I'm biased for Mazda, not really against US. I would hope I didnt sound "ignorant" with what I said.

I did say I undersand why ppl would do such a thing. It comes down more to principle with me than anything else.

Edit: I'd still feel pretty much the same if someone put in a 2JGTE, SR20DET, RB26, or a B16 in one of those cars also.

Mixed marriage races of cars and motors is sick, unnatural, and wrong.

 

[Roywhitep5]

well its still a an fd right? thats all i care about as long as it works

 

[Mike R]

I dunno, I know a few motors that do fine with double the stock HP.

Toyota I6
Ford 2.3L OHC (the old pinto/mustang/ranger motor)
Most GM V8's
Nissan 2.0L

Now one motor that can't hold double the HP is the FS-DE....


I always liked the sound of a high HP rotary...

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Now one motor that can't hold double the HP is the FS-DE....

I've daily driven with over double stock HP for a year and a half. Also raced it a couple dozen times at the track too.

 

[pluto316]

I've daily driven with over double stock HP for a year and a half. Also raced it a couple dozen times at the track too.

Double stock HP on a FS-DS is like 200whp. That's hardly worth bringing up.

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Double stock HP on a FS-DS is like 200whp. That's hardly worth bringing up.

I wasn't bragging, I was proving a point of doubling the stock output.

 

[Mike R]

All stock internals?

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Well yeah... If I had a built bottom end I'd be pushing a lot more more power than 250. :thumbs-up:

 

[pluto316]

I wasn't bragging, I was proving a point of doubling the stock output.

I know, I know. Just messing with you.

 

[Laser03pro]

Yeah, eff LS1 swaps. It just looks so dumb to see a straight by the books Japanese piece of art and that stupid redneck sound coming from it.

As if THREE MOVING PARTS is too complicated. yank

boost = replacement for displacement.

Least the vehicle is doing something cool. :-/

Redneck sound are you f'n kiddin me? That thing sounds awsome as hell sorry it doesnt sound like a turd which it would with the rotary.

 

[anarchistchiken]

Nah man, you want to hear a redneck sounding vehicle? Find a 5.0 Bronco with the exhaust drilled into before the cat and the piping rusting out after the cat. THAT is a redneck sounding car. A well tuned exhaust on a high power v8 is just a gorgeous sound. I saw a mint condition El Camino on the road the other day with, no joke, the BEST sounding exhaust I've ever heard. Nice lobey cam, really deep, clean sound. It was amazing.

And I've heard a few 13B with a nice sounding exhausts. There was a race boat that used a 13B that ran at I think either 13K or 15K rpms and it sounded very nice.

 

[Laser03pro]

My point exactly anarch I almost like the sound of any engine with a nicely tuned exhaust what sounds reneck is a v8 with a small cam and a strait through exhuast or even your honda civic with no cat and an ebay muffler lol.

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Sure, it sounds nice... but it doesnt really look natrual coming from a car like that.

I think 5.0L Mustang w/ exhaust is the best sounding thing in the world.... but I still wouldnt want to hear that coming from a turbo Japanese sports car.

 

[anarchistchiken]

I'm not a huge fan of the mustang sound actually. Just sounds too generic.


I think this whole argument can be summed up by saying simply "an rx-7 is not an rx-7 without the RX"

 

[Laser03pro]

Yeh im sure that guy wasnt a huge mazda fan he just wanted somethin fun to drift around in. I also think alot of cars sound like 5.0's with flow masters some of the newer 4.6's with corsica exhaust and some others sound good. Im just a big fan of the lsx motor and will be buying one before long for my camaro or maybe even my 56 chev.