Well keep me updated if you find out anything, I'll keep watching . I think anything uder 700 is a good deal for this.
Liquid to Air intercooler
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Well keep me updated if you find out anything, I'll keep watching . I think anything uder 700 is a good deal for this.
Anubis-MZD6
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None as of yet Rutedown. If I get anything I will let you all know first thing.
They use Heavy water to cool reators. It is enriched with deuterium. So its 2H2O
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silver_speed6
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That's not correct. The percentage of heavy water naturally occurring is ridiculously low. Something like one in every 6000 hydrogen molecules is a 2H molecule. The production of heavy water is also enormously expensive and would take ages to isolate or make enough heavy water needed to cool a nuclear reactor. They use standard water. Heavy water is also not safe so why would the vaporize it with a nuclear reactor?
CAPTAINMORGAN
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Update!!!!!!!!
"Please note that the kit will fit both MS3 and MS6 cars. Both models share the same components except the lower heat exchanger support. One great thing is that with this the MS3 can now also use the TT lower engine mount as there are not fitment issues with it like there were with the other air to air FMIC.
Estimated time for install: About 2hrs. Removing the bumper is not required. No trim, no cut, no hassle, everything is a direct fit with just two hoses to route across the front end. Retails is $1195.00." (Quoted from another site)
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"Please note that the kit will fit both MS3 and MS6 cars. Both models share the same components except the lower heat exchanger support. One great thing is that with this the MS3 can now also use the TT lower engine mount as there are not fitment issues with it like there were with the other air to air FMIC.
Estimated time for install: About 2hrs. Removing the bumper is not required. No trim, no cut, no hassle, everything is a direct fit with just two hoses to route across the front end. Retails is $1195.00." (Quoted from another site)
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CAPTAINMORGAN
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"The reason the cost went up is initially this was going to use mostly the same parts from a kit they already were producing for another vehicle, however they realized for this to be the best quality possible things would have to be redesigned to make MS3 / MS6 specific kit.
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will this perform as well as a fmic?
a L/A setup should outperform a FMIC. +Short air pipes ie less possible lag + easy install + keep front air dam without doing the hack job I had to do (CPE FMIC w/ functional OEM air dam / diffuser) + can put dry ice in the resivior for extra cooling at the strip + (MS3) can use the TT front engine mount with this as no FMIC works with the TT front engine mount (/MS3 specific) + can upgrade to 3+" piping easy and wont introduce more lag...sure there is more"(quoted from another site).
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will this perform as well as a fmic?
a L/A setup should outperform a FMIC. +Short air pipes ie less possible lag + easy install + keep front air dam without doing the hack job I had to do (CPE FMIC w/ functional OEM air dam / diffuser) + can put dry ice in the resivior for extra cooling at the strip + (MS3) can use the TT front engine mount with this as no FMIC works with the TT front engine mount (/MS3 specific) + can upgrade to 3+" piping easy and wont introduce more lag...sure there is more"(quoted from another site).
just about any grocery store sells dry ice....well at least down here they do
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GioDiGreek
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Actually H2O. Heavy water or Dideuterium monoxide. Heavy water is water that contains a higher proportion than normal of the isotope deuterium, as deuterium oxide, D2O or H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide, HDO or HHO.
CAPTAINMORGAN
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"I'm sure you also noticed the custom silicon elbows, laser-cut & folded exchanger brackets, custom BOV SS elbow with the plate. I'm sure you also work for free all year long running a charity business for the poor and hungry performance freak. Seriously, if we had wanted to offer a cheap, quickly put together intercooler system, don't you think we could have done it a long time ago? If there are people looking for such a system, then I encourage you to go ahead and offer it to them because we will never commit in such business practice.
I have read the **************** thread and can say that I am insulted seeing such a lack of professionalism from PTP performance who are jumping in the thread to offer cheaper products. Honestly, it took us more than a year of R&D to come up with our MS3-6 intercooling system. That is certainly not a botched product. We actually redesigned the whole system twice because it didn't meet our expectation back then. Knowing very well that the average MS3-6 owner wants nothing but top notch products, we made sure that the new intercooling system would be up to our expectation and built accordingly. There are many factors that must be taken into consideration when developing those systems that you may not be realizing. Actually, our whole intercooling system can be installed by the average Joe blow in less than two hours. You do not need to remove the bumper, you do not need to chop, trim, fit or hack into anything. Just two hose to route across the front end, that's about it. Several custom parts were needed in order to offer both quality and fitment which are shown in the pictures above.
There are no issues whatsoever with the silicon couplers. Yes they will slightly inflate under boost but this is not something that you would notice, either from a reliability point of view or turbo lag. A fully inflated silicon coupler (for as little it will inflate) will expand a max of 10%. That is a mere increase of 0.25cf only for a fraction of a second. This is totally neglieable when the engine actually flows over 250cf per minute.
The heat exchanger we supply is in fact capable handling more heat than the any MS6 will ever be able to produce. Swapping it for a larger unit would be useless. One may in fact realize that the key for accurate water cooling is to control how quickly the water is running through the exchanger. Too fast and it won't have time to cool properly. Too slow and it won't carry heat away of the intercooler core fast enough. The size we selected offers both cooling capacity and compactness for ease of installation. It can be retrofitted on both MS3 -6 by swapping the bottom bracket only. As Andrew pointed out, the added benefits of allowing the installation of a front engine mount on the MS3 is priceless. Furthermore, all sale pitch put aside, we all know that the MS3 stock mounts are prone to failure. Would I risk destroying my investment by leaving the engine loose in the engine bay when there is a quick fix available? No thanks.
To sum it up, I would like to thanks Andrew and the MS crew that are on the GB for his support and confidence into Turbine Tech products. I realize that some people are disappointed by the raising cost of the intercooling system. That is partially due to the fact that we poured much more R&D into it than we initially planned to. However, being a man of his word, I will gladly stick to the initially announced $799.00 price for those who stood up and stayed in the GB. So gentlemen, I will stay in touch with Andrew and start taking orders and payment shortly.
With best regards
Jess Tremblay
R&D manager
Turbine Tech Inc
www.turbinetech.ca
418 674 9191
I am going to extend the GB for 2 more weeks to allow those that were hesitant about the price to get in on this deal at $799 (+50 shipping). You M3s ought to buy a front engine mount as well at the same time. So to make this even better; in addition to the L/A IC GB I am doing a GB on the TT MS3 Front Engine mount that can be added to this for $249 (+25 sipping) if combined with the liquid intercooler purchase.
MSRP is $369+shipping!
The GB will now end on 4-14-09. (Completly copyed word for word from another site)."
I have read the **************** thread and can say that I am insulted seeing such a lack of professionalism from PTP performance who are jumping in the thread to offer cheaper products. Honestly, it took us more than a year of R&D to come up with our MS3-6 intercooling system. That is certainly not a botched product. We actually redesigned the whole system twice because it didn't meet our expectation back then. Knowing very well that the average MS3-6 owner wants nothing but top notch products, we made sure that the new intercooling system would be up to our expectation and built accordingly. There are many factors that must be taken into consideration when developing those systems that you may not be realizing. Actually, our whole intercooling system can be installed by the average Joe blow in less than two hours. You do not need to remove the bumper, you do not need to chop, trim, fit or hack into anything. Just two hose to route across the front end, that's about it. Several custom parts were needed in order to offer both quality and fitment which are shown in the pictures above.
There are no issues whatsoever with the silicon couplers. Yes they will slightly inflate under boost but this is not something that you would notice, either from a reliability point of view or turbo lag. A fully inflated silicon coupler (for as little it will inflate) will expand a max of 10%. That is a mere increase of 0.25cf only for a fraction of a second. This is totally neglieable when the engine actually flows over 250cf per minute.
The heat exchanger we supply is in fact capable handling more heat than the any MS6 will ever be able to produce. Swapping it for a larger unit would be useless. One may in fact realize that the key for accurate water cooling is to control how quickly the water is running through the exchanger. Too fast and it won't have time to cool properly. Too slow and it won't carry heat away of the intercooler core fast enough. The size we selected offers both cooling capacity and compactness for ease of installation. It can be retrofitted on both MS3 -6 by swapping the bottom bracket only. As Andrew pointed out, the added benefits of allowing the installation of a front engine mount on the MS3 is priceless. Furthermore, all sale pitch put aside, we all know that the MS3 stock mounts are prone to failure. Would I risk destroying my investment by leaving the engine loose in the engine bay when there is a quick fix available? No thanks.
To sum it up, I would like to thanks Andrew and the MS crew that are on the GB for his support and confidence into Turbine Tech products. I realize that some people are disappointed by the raising cost of the intercooling system. That is partially due to the fact that we poured much more R&D into it than we initially planned to. However, being a man of his word, I will gladly stick to the initially announced $799.00 price for those who stood up and stayed in the GB. So gentlemen, I will stay in touch with Andrew and start taking orders and payment shortly.
With best regards
Jess Tremblay
R&D manager
Turbine Tech Inc
www.turbinetech.ca
418 674 9191
I am going to extend the GB for 2 more weeks to allow those that were hesitant about the price to get in on this deal at $799 (+50 shipping). You M3s ought to buy a front engine mount as well at the same time. So to make this even better; in addition to the L/A IC GB I am doing a GB on the TT MS3 Front Engine mount that can be added to this for $249 (+25 sipping) if combined with the liquid intercooler purchase.
MSRP is $369+shipping!
The GB will now end on 4-14-09. (Completly copyed word for word from another site)."
