Life expectancy/reliability of Protege

I have maintained my 2002 meticulously since new. As I write this I'm waiting on a remanufactured motor to arrive so I can change the 140,000 mile original out. The rings are gone and I consume 1qt of oil every 200 miles. It has had synthetic oil all of it's life. I have no idea what went wrong. I have never had an engine crap out with such few miles on it.

how long ago did that problem start? sounds weird

check your pcv valve if there is no exhaust smoke coming out
check your coolant for brown/foamy which is a cause for a blown head-gasket
oil drips or puddles? check pcv
 
I have maintained my 2002 meticulously since new. As I write this I'm waiting on a remanufactured motor to arrive so I can change the 140,000 mile original out. The rings are gone and I consume 1qt of oil every 200 miles. It has had synthetic oil all of it's life. I have no idea what went wrong. I have never had an engine crap out with such few miles on it.
Have you heard about the seizing ring problem with the FS engine.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/show...n-cold-start&p=5504992&viewfull=1#post5504992
 
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My problem started about 2 years ago and I have been nursing it ever since. It is my wife's car and she only puts about 6,000 miles a year on it now. I've just been dumping oil as that is really the cheapest way to go. Not very environmentally friendly though, and sooner or later I'm going to fail emissions, foul my catalytic converter...or both. I finally decided to go with the remanufactured engine when the wife told me she really did not want to pick up a new car payment.(yes) Even though she drives it very little, there are certain occasions where she could go over 200 miles in a day and be over a quart low before she returned home. I love her dearly, but I know telling her to check the oil during her travels within a single day is asking for trouble. I can hear the conversation in my head now. "I know you told me to be careful and check the oil level often, but I was just going to the store and then my girls night out and all of a sudden the engine just quit!(doh)
 
Did you ever try a piston soak ???
You didn't drive 7500 miles between oil changes because you're using synthetic did you ???
You might want to consider doing regular seafoam treatments on your new engine, to help wash that gunk out and help prevent the next ring seizure.
 
Through this forum I have heard of the rings and the PCV valve issue. The rings could be seized in this engine because the compression is horribly low. It is relatively even across all 4 cylinders. 121, 119, 130, 124. With a few squirts of oil in the cylinders the compression came up to standard.

I do know this though. Bear with me because this is going to sound like a bash. I'll probably never own another Mazda. My wife and I have really enjoyed the car, but I'm really not impressed with the quality. I've had numerous issues. A belt squeal that comes and goes without warning. The car eats halogens like candy. The electrical system is under-engineered... I could go on, but I don't want to sound like I'm bashing these cars, that is not my intent. I just did not find this car to be of very good quality and I try not to make the same mistakes twice.
 
I'm an aircraft mechanic with over 25 years of experience in my trade. I have more time wrenching on cars than that, although not as my livelihood. I have never had an engine (of any other make, foreign or domestic) do this to me. I generally know what I am doing when it comes to mechanical things. I took care of this car from day 1. Oil changes were on an extended interval (All the way out to 5,000 mi on Amsoil) I am not a believer in 3,000 mile oil changes. It is a waste of our resources. And my time. I have a made in the USA GMC pick-up that has been driven since new only getting an oil change once every year regardless of the mileage. At 6 months it does get a new filter and a top off of what is lost in the change. Care to guess what the mileage is in this truck? How about 209,000 and counting. Compression... not even 10% lower than spec.

I spent my youth working on all kinds of machinery. I grew up on a farm. My first car was a '69 Mustang that got fresh Castrol every 3,000. I started using synthetic oils in the mid to late 80's and have never, until now, had an engineNOT outlast the car. I guess there is a first time for everything. I really don't think the 5,000 mile oil change had a detrimental effect on this engine though.
 
I don't get it ??? Why your car ??? If that was the norm there wouldn't be any p5's on the road.

From what I seen on this forum worn engines are a result of poor maintenance.

You did everything right ??? What do you think happened ???
 
Inadequate oiling system if you ask me.

Just like the inadequate electrical system.

They were both under engineered.
 
Soon there won't be any P5's on the road. It is not just my car.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123700949-FS-DE-Oil-System

That thread is over 55 pages long.

You yourself posted a link to a thread discussing ring issues.

How many flaws have to be in an engine for it to be considered a below average performer?

I really liked this car for it's handling. It never could get out of it's own way though, and now I believe there is a strong case that the engine has a longevity issue as well.
 
You know, the more I think about this engine and the issue we are talking about here, the more I might just have to admit you are right. This engine probably does need 3,000 mile oil changes to stay healthy. Every manufacturer out there is going to extended drain intervals. Numerous vehicles (my truck for instance) have engine oil life monitors telling you when to change the oil. It is not uncommon for my truck's monitor to tell me to change the oil at 5,700-7,000 miles. I personally know of a few heavy equipment operators who have never changed their oil. They send samples in for analysis and change filters at a set interval. Did you know there are more and more vehicles out there all the time that have a "sealed" transmission? No way to change the fluid. Are you going to accuse an owner of one of these of inadequate maintenance?
 
I don't get it ??? Why your car ???

You did everything right ???

Why don't you ask me how many aircraft I've had drop out of the sky?

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were accusing me of being some kind of knucklehead when it comes to maintaining vehicles ! ;)
 
I'd like to know what the rings are like on your old engine I'll bet they fused to the Pistons.
 
If I didn't know better, I'd say you were accusing me of being some kind of knucklehead when it comes to maintaining vehicles ! ;)

No,... not at all,... I seriously want to know why your car crapped out,...
 
I'm not sure we'll ever know for sure. I don't think I'll be pulling the pistons. I'll talk to the shop that is sending the reman and see if they care how the core arrives to them. If they don't mind it being pulled apart past the long block, I suppose I could pull the pistons before sending it.
 
It may be a really DUH thing to say, but oil changes are key. Seems like even moreso for this car. I got mine and it was a little rough sounding, and the oil was black, so I had the oil/filter changed, then new filter/oil again only 1000km later when I had some exhaust work done (original front pipe flanges rusted, would have happened to any car) and that cleared whatever was bothering it and runs like a champ now.

Also afaik the manual transmission oil was never changed from day 1, so I had the shop check that also and they said it looked so clean it wasn't worth changing. Great car.


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I believe cheap oil changed every 3k miles is way better than expensive synthetic oil changed every 7.5k miles,... it flushes out the acids. (and is probably even less total cost).

Frequent oil changes reduce sludge buildup and even help wash it away. (the oil filter doesn't catch everything)


This is what I'm talkin' 'bout. The low mileage oil changes really smoothed out the engine.
 
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I beat my original engine/tranny like a total bastard at race tracks and on weekends, 144k not a problem, ran like a total champ. Ran better than most of my friends new cars engines actually.
 
I do a third of a can of seafoam before AND after every or oil change. I want to remove and prevent any lacquer build up.

I've been worried about seized piston rings since I heard about the problem.
 
I know this discussion is old...but now in end of March 2014, my 1999 Mazda Protege 1.6L has 245,000 miles on it...still running good.
Original engine.
 
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