Johnnyracecar.com FMIC?

[projektmsp]

not necessarily sleeper but i guess you can use the word stealth...and i want to get an idea of what the car looks like with a black fmic never seen it before....

 

[Mental Addiction]

Fin-tube isn't the best choice for air-air intercooler.Fin tube is designed for oil coolers, tranny coolers, AC condensors,etc.Alot of business push it because it has HUGE markup.Your best choice of core is Bar/plate.Garrett has the most effiecent core on the market to date.In our MSP,Thumper,Sleeper kits we use a Garrett bar/plate core.We do sell just the intercooler from our kit for $450.This comes with polished castend tanks,Garrett core and most of all, fills the entire front grill.The core size is 24x6x3.5

 

[sickspeed94]

right, $450 Vs. $180, that was the point of the thread. some of us don't have the extra $260 to spend on extra surface area. trust me te're nothing i would rather have than an MAM FMIC. i've gawked and drooled over it for a long time. but the truth is, i can get that johnnyracer core and have it piped by a local shop for cheaper than just the core.

 

[Rainman]

I'll take some pics today and post them this weekend.

I should point out that while I painted my FMIC flat-black, it is not a johnytheracer tube and fin unit, but rather a bar and plate unit with a 24 x 6 x 2.5" core and 2.5" inlet and outlet.

R

 

[Rainman]

I don't think you have much of a sleeper look with the body kit, spoiler, and oh yeah.....THE BRIGHT ASS YELLOW PAINT! lol

Post pics though.

Damn!!! Forgot about all that other s***!!! Maybe I'll paint the rest of the car flat-black to match....LOL!

R

 

[Rainman]

Pics of the stealth-ized FMIC setup

post pics or send them to goldenknighte@yahoo.com ...i wanna get an idea of what it's gonna look like thanks alot-Dan

Here are a few pics of the work in progress. Some of the piping has yet to be changed (like the wicked 90 degree bend coming out of the turbo for which a perfect bend is being CNC machined), but the basic layout is shown. Some pics of the piping will be available as soon as the shop emails them to me.

R

 

[Rainman]

Here are a few pics of the work in progress. Some of the piping has yet to be changed (like the wicked 90 degree bend coming out of the turbo for which a perfect bend is being CNC machined), but the basic layout is shown. Some pics of the piping will be available as soon as the shop emails them to me.

R

Add'l pics of piping. All piping is 2.5" mild steel painted flat black. Once everything is finalized. I'll paint it gloss black and clear coat it.

R

 

[Rainman]

Add'l pics of piping. All piping is 2.5" mild steel painted flat black. Once everything is finalized. I'll paint it gloss black and clear coat it.

R

A few more pics. Yes, I am aware of the wicked 90 degree bend...that is why I have donned my flame-retardant suit....LOL! Seriously though, once they design something to replace the 90 degree bend it will look alot better and I suspect that it might even decrease the spool up time a fraction.

R

 

[wicked]

right, $450 Vs. $180, that was the point of the thread. some of us don't have the extra $260 to spend on extra surface area. trust me te're nothing i would rather have than an MAM FMIC. i've gawked and drooled over it for a long time. but the truth is, i can get that johnnyracer core and have it piped by a local shop for cheaper than just the core.

this is causeing a problem.

all these guys like you that aren't willing to wait a little longer to save money up have to go buy cheaper kits.causeing all the companies to make this s*** cheaper and cheaper.what about the guys that want a good quality well made kit that can handle 25 psi ?

if you want a cheaper kit,take a look around,they heavily out number the good kits.


some one needs to make a real kit,not care if you have to cut into sheet metal,designed for the gt28rs,handle atleast 35 psi,and not give a s*** about cutting up the metal bumper or trimming the plastic bumper!

 

[apocman]

A few more pics. Yes, I am aware of the wicked 90 degree bend...that is why I have donned my flame-retardant suit....LOL!

R

can the pipes be made without the 90* bend in it? maybe use some sort of mandrel bent piece?

 

[Mental Addiction]

I'll take some pics today and post them this weekend.

I should point out that while I painted my FMIC flat-black, it is not a johnytheracer tube and fin unit, but rather a bar and plate unit with a 24 x 6 x 2.5" core and 2.5" inlet and outlet.

R

That looks like a 24" overall.24" core alone will look like this:Overall our intercooler measures 33"Have you had a chance to see what your intake air temps are?

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46273

 

[Rainman]

That looks like a 24" overall.24" core alone will look like this:Overall our intercooler measures 33"Have you had a chance to see what your intake air temps are?

Good call Beau. Thanks for the correction. The core is actually 18x6x2.5 and the OVERALL length with end tanks is 24". When I decided which FMIC to purchase I had a choice between the 18x6x2.5 core for $310 CAN with a flow good for ~300 hp or a 24x9x3 core for $350 CAN with a flow good for 450-500 hp.

I wasn't sure where I would end up with my project so I based my decision on what would be easiest to install. Since I wouldn't have to cut anything to install the smaller core, but I would with the larger core, I decided to go with the smaller of the two. If I end up surpassing 300 hp then I will upgrade the intercooler.

I haven't had a chance to measure the inlet temps yet, but after beating on the engine once the pipes were in the intercooler-TB pipe was much cooler than ambient while everything else in the bay was ready to barbeque everything inlcuding my hand...LOL.

Before I step up to your FMIC Beau, I gotta get everything else you are bankrupting me with installed so that I can make enough hp to warrant its purchase.

R

 

[apocman]

Fin-tube isn't the best choice for air-air intercooler (not a truely accurate scientifically backed statement).Fin tube is designed for oil coolers, tranny coolers, AC condensors,etc.Alot of business push it because it has HUGE markup.Your best choice of core is Bar/plate (not a true accurate scientifically backed statement).Garrett has the most effiecent core on the market to date. (I have a strong feeling all core makers have little documents that show why their cores are the best, so with that said how can you truly prove that? without using special test equipment, if so please post said studies and include all specifications of said studies, i.e. how many cores were tested with what type of equipment etc.) In our MSP,Thumper,Sleeper kits we use a Garrett bar/plate core.We do sell just the intercooler from our kit for $450.This comes with polished castend tanks,Garrett core and most of all, fills the entire front grill.The core size is 24x6x3.5 (now this rocks always good to have products for our cars!!!)

Don't take this the wrong way. I know alot of local guys who really think very highly of you and your products and I am no one to be able to dispute that, but I have been researching to the best of my ability to see what intercooler is the best for our cars and also the whole bang for buck theory. I have read many articles and websites on this and of course there are a million of them.

I try and stick to a factual scientific approach to things. I for the most part have found that there is tons of information and data that show each design bar & plate and fin & tube have their advantages and disadvantages.

I apologize in advance for the harshness, but I have just about drove myself nuts researching and still seem a bit foggy on what truly is the best format and method to go with. I will continue my research into this matter and hope to come up with a clear answer, but that is higly unlikely due to life in general and science, physics and math

 

[Mental Addiction]

Don't take this the wrong way. I know alot of local guys who really think very highly of you and your products and I am no one to be able to dispute that, but I have been researching to the best of my ability to see what intercooler is the best for our cars and also the whole bang for buck theory. I have read many articles and websites on this and of course there are a million of them.

I try and stick to a factual scientific approach to things. I for the most part have found that there is tons of information and data that show each design bar & plate and fin & tube have their advantages and disadvantages.

I apologize in advance for the harshness, but I have just about drove myself nuts researching and still seem a bit foggy on what truly is the best format and method to go with. I will continue my research into this matter and hope to come up with a clear answer, but that is higly unlikely due to life in general and science, physics and math

No problem.Since you are doing research now, I would like to hear what factual data you have come up with.
I have done serveral flow, temp,etc comparisons of many different intercoolers.
I have used Bar/Plate,Extruded,Armaid,fin/tube,etc.Keep inmind not all cores are the same.Some are brazed while others are epoxy.

 

[apocman]

No problem.Since you are doing research now, I would like to hear what factual data you have come up with.
I have done serveral flow, temp,etc comparisons of many different intercoolers.
I have used Bar/Plate,Extruded,Armaid,fin/tube,etc.Keep inmind not all cores are the same.Some are brazed while others are epoxy.

Now that's a reply!! Yummy finally I'm starting to hear somebody use all of these special new words, terms, methods etc...

let me find some links for you and then you can give your angle on them. I have noticed that each person or website normally has a slight angle towards the products they sell, but I would kind of figure that... I'll post a few and then begin posting more links and then you can explain and give feedback...

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intecoolersMR.htm#ENGINE%20DESTRUCTION%20%20!%20!%20!%20!

http://www.turbophile.com/technical/faq.html

give me a rebuttle to this guys article and then give data backed recommendations of what the exact size and type ect. intercooler we should use ect. Also while your at it, give data backing recommedantions on whether to use Aluimiun (excuse spelling) or mild steel etc.

this should end up being a very informative thread when we are done!!!

thanks for your participation!!! It's hard to get people to really sink their teeth into explaining the "why's" without taking offense to questions that come across harsh becuase there is no other way to ask them...

 

[apocman]

hey can you share your data with us? This way we can have some form of factual information to have. I know sometimes vendors can't due to certain reason, but I hope you can post them....

 

[apocman]

lets see I'm trying to think of the most common questions I would ask....

1. size of intercooler best for those who don't expect to go for a total engine rebuild or turbo upgrade?

2. Which pipes to use and why?

3. what design bar & plate or fin & tube? I know your preference, just want a more detailed explination.

Dammit!!! I know there is a lot more, but I can't remember at the moment...

I guess I'll try and sit down and come up with a Mazdaspeed Protege intercooler specific FAQ...

Hey, you know what else would be cool! for the other vendors on here that sell intercoolers to jump on board and give their views and stuff that way we have more than one opinion and source of data. Kind of like a devils advocate approach and then we could make this multi-perspective, multi-vendor and multi-data sourced MSP Intercooler FAQ's page... I know there was one a long time ago, but I think it really needs to be removed and replaced with one that is very detailed with data and opinions from the vendors who either sell them or make them or both....

That would be the mothers of all MSP Intercoolers FAQ's pages!!! Dont Ya' think?

 

[apocman]

oh yea, when I say factual. I mean that I like to see and read supporting data like diagrams, charts, science backed explainations, detailed tests with results and the complete discloser of how the tests were performed etc.... those kind of things. I know I may not quite understand them all, but it is easier for me to feel more comfortable buying items from them.

Trust me just ask any local vendor how I drive them batty with all of my Columbo style interagations on why I should buy something.

excuse all spelling errors ect... I'm tired... Oh well, off to bed for now...

 

[Mental Addiction]

I will read those sites and get back to you.

 

[apocman]

I will read those sites and get back to you.

Thanks and I look forward to the read.(cool)