J-Spec Engine Compatibility ???

[DooMer_MP3]

If I were buying a kit RIGHT NOW, I would probably go with a SPOOL Stage 1 or 2 (no intercooler, runs 4.5 PSI and the ECU really doesn't seem to mind it much - 160WHP), second choice would be the Flyin Miata kit, and third choice might be the HiBoost kit that has just come around for $3995 that seems to have taken care of the fuel problems with our Proteges for running higher amounts of boost. When HiBoost gets more consumer experience, I'd probably move it to second choice, only because I won't be able to afford $4000 in one fell swoop.

The problem with the MP3 vs MSP and the higher boost levels it can run is that the MSP has an ECU that can dump in more fuel, while the MP3 has to be tricked into it, and it doesn't seem to work PERFECTLY in all cases.

To me, a SPOOL stage 1 or 2 kit (difference being the manifold and spoolup times) and 160WHP would make me VERY happy, and for only $2595-$2795 respectively!

Chris

 

[PaulMP3]

do some research in the forced induction forum, everything you need to know is there. to run 9psi you should have some kind of fuel mgmt. most kits run 6-7psi with an fmu. the high boost offers fuel mgmt. Also if you have an MP3 u want to switch ECU with a pro/Pro5 to get rid of the advanced timing. Also i see you are from virginia, spool is moving his shop up there also.

 

[Shingo7]

MOVING UP TO VA ?!!!!

SCHWEET

when where how and does this guy need a best friend ?

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j/k

I have been doing a little Research, and i read up some, but i think I really need to spend some time and put togeather a solution that will work best for me.

I am going to turbo. I just dont know what kit, and what kinds of boost controlls and such i will be using. I have never had or driven a turbo car, and think the MP3 I have will be a great car to start with.

Are the pro5 ECU hard to come by ?
- "Also if you have an MP3 u want to switch ECU with a pro/Pro5 to get rid of the advanced timing"
- Paulmp3 -

Are there any articles or specs i can take a look at ?

thanks guys, I need the awesome support your giving.

 

[mikesmazda155]

Re: MOVING UP TO VA ?!!!!

SCHWEET

when where how and does this guy need a best friend ?

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j/k

I have been doing a little Research, and i read up some, but i think I really need to spend some time and put togeather a solution that will work best for me.

I am going to turbo. I just dont know what kit, and what kinds of boost controlls and such i will be using. I have never had or driven a turbo car, and think the MP3 I have will be a great car to start with.

Are the pro5 ECU hard to come by ?
- "Also if you have an MP3 u want to switch ECU with a pro/Pro5 to get rid of the advanced timing"
- Paulmp3 -

Are there any articles or specs i can take a look at ?

thanks guys, I need the awesome support your giving.

Which part of VA?

 

[PaulMP3]

[QUOSpool Turbo kit announcement
Hello everyone
I have been out of town for the recent s2000 event this past weekend in OBX.
While I was gone Norman stripped a car down and began fitting one of our kits to the car.
As many of you may know we have had some fitment issues regarding our dumptubes, intakes and some bolts.

We have currently redesigned the intake shortening it up a bit and the dumptube. We test fitted both of these items along with many other things that had issues and adressed them. Currently we have some parts that we are waiting on for that are on order for these newly designed peices.
I would like to sincerely apologize to those people that have kits and have been waiting for these parts. We are working hard to resolve these issues and they will be resolved soon. Once we get the parts in we will immeditley ship them out to waiting customers.

We are on here alot and try to work with this community in regards to getting a smooth running kit and a product that everybody is satisfied with. Many customers can attest to that, I graciously have given many customers my personal cell# & helped customers on my days off to resolve any issues. I dont believe in shutting any one out or leaving somebody stranded with such a substantial product like our turbo kits

We are currently have a large backorder and will be moving to Richmond permantly to a larger facility June 1st this year. Unfortunatly this will slow us down a bit but we are slowing things down drastically and working hard to insure that we have no more fitmment issues with the above mentioned items. i.e Quality vs Quantity.

Unfortunatly at this current time we are unable to fill in all orders because of the unexpected volume of business we have recieved recently.

I assure everyone that we will get everybody up and running soon and to those customers on our waiting list thank you for your business and patience


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Last edited by spoolinmp3 on 05-04-2003 at 06:05 PM

TE]Spool Turbo kit announcement [/QUOTE]

 

[LinuxRacr]

Re: Re: Snoogins Turbo costs more than the engine

Well lets at least be realistic here. The CHEAPEST (Spool Stage 1 at $2595) will be more cost effective then your swap. Spool also mentions its the kit people have had the least amount of trouble with due to the low boost levels, so its pretty darn reliable.

So, his site claims 160WHP from the stage1 kit. Calculating a very generous 18% driveline loss, that means it makes right around 190HP at the crank - a gain of 50HP over stock.

I'll assume that since you didn't mention install costs in your post, that you will be doing the swap yourself (keep in mind a swap would cost buttloads more in labor than installing a stage 1 turbo kit).

So for the swap we have:
$3400/20HP = $170/HP

Stage1:
$2595/50HP = $52/HP

I guess I fail to see your logic. The turbo kit is obviously the way to go. Oh, and if you ask Linux, I'm sure he'll tell you how happy he was to see that the FS-ZE engine he got from corksport had been abused by the previous owner and needed the cylinder walls to be bored out. So I hope you like to shoot craps as well .

But seriously, go turbo, or even just bolt on the JSpec cams, Tripoint camgears, AWR header, Sunbelt larger throttle body, exhaust and intake for a hell of a lot less than your swap, and you'll probably get more out of it.

Chris

(werd) Glad I could answer your PM's Shingo7.

 

[LinuxRacr]

why don't you be like some of the speed'ers and run between 8 to 9 psi.

Stock the MSP runs 6.9 (and that's enough get up & go for around town)

Let's not. I would only run 6-8 PSI on the stock injectors, and MP3 ECU. If you run 8 PSI, have a better in-line fuel pump running too. You have to remember the MSP ECU is made for boost while the MP3 ECU is not and has advanced timing.

 

[dominoy2k1]

so a p5 ecu would be direct "plug and play" on the mp3? or would some modification have to be done?

 

[LinuxRacr]

so a p5 ecu would be direct "plug and play" on the mp3? or would some modification have to be done?

You will have an anoying CEL due to the difference in the intake manifolds of the MP3 and the P5. You would have to find some way to make the P5 ECU think that it still has VICS when you swap it to the MP3 if you don't want to deal with the CEL.

 

[Shingo7]

okay, whats the CEL ?

and running 7psi on the stock MP3 setup is probably where I will go, unless there is a simple fix, like swaping in a different ECU or buying a new fuel rail or whatever, Anyone think the J-Spec computer would make a difference ?

 

[dominoy2k1]

check engine light.....dayum...you running the mp3 ecu right? guess i will have to work with that....

 

[funnylittlman]

Let's not. I would only run 6-8 PSI on the stock injectors, and MP3 ECU. If you run 8 PSI, have a better in-line fuel pump running too. You have to remember the MSP ECU is made for boost while the MP3 ECU is not and has advanced timing.

I keep forgetting about the ecu factor... my bad Linux! (hand)

 

[LinuxRacr]

I keep forgetting about the ecu factor... my bad Linux! (hand)

Of course it's all good. Not gonna tell you to RTM or some s*** like that. We are just trying to make sure folks get good info without treating them like children.

 

[Shingo7]

right on

This message board has more and more information every time I do a search I find something new, and lately its all about turbos and engine management systems.

Do any of you all out there use any kind of AFC ?, or specialized chips ?

I found a shop that can program them, but wanted to know what if any benifit it would be ?

P.S. i just saw a turbo on a Toyota '93 Tercel....... Boys, its time to spend some cash.

 

[funnylittlman]

Of course it's all good. Not gonna tell you to RTM or some s*** like that. We are just trying to make sure folks get good info without treating them like children.

Thank you for not telling me to take a hike either

lol

 

[TheMAN]

You will have an anoying CEL due to the difference in the intake manifolds of the MP3 and the P5. You would have to find some way to make the P5 ECU think that it still has VICS when you swap it to the MP3 if you don't want to deal with the CEL.

it can be fixed with proper electrical know-how. you'll need to get a VTCS solenoid and hook it up straight to the ECU at pin 73 for one terminal and hook up the other terminal by splicing to the wires coming off of pin 97 or 71... this can all be done with a few inches of 16 gauge wire by the ECU and the VTCS solenoid can be hidden there... you really must have the wiring diagrams and skill to do this... otherwise have someone do it

 

[LinuxRacr]

it can be fixed with proper electrical know-how. you'll need to get a VTCS solenoid and hook it up straight to the ECU at pin 73 for one terminal and hook up the other terminal by splicing to the wires coming off of pin 97 or 71... this can all be done with a few inches of 16 gauge wire by the ECU and the VTCS solenoid can be hidden there... you really must have the wiring diagrams and skill to do this... otherwise have someone do it

This guy would know better than anyone else...

 

[Captain KRM P5]

P.S. i just saw a turbo on a Toyota '93 Tercel.......

1993 Tercel was my second car - all 83 horsepower of it. That driver just made 120 hp, lucky him. He needs more than a turbo, he needs a ******* mule and a bullwhip to pull his slow little "japanese vw beetle" around.

 

[igdrasil]

Hey, just go turbo, and if you got that enough money to get the FSZE, do it well:

Get the turbo kit, engine management and forged internals

And by the way, we have lots of Tercel turbos here in PR: one example

http://www.capperformance.com/galeria.htm



PD

Yesterday I went to the Salinas Speedway track here and saw something interesting, I have pics of a Hooked Scooter with wheelee bar, yes, those minimotorcycles with one piston and one gear, doing 9s on the 1/8 @ 66MPH and a four track doing 5.9@117MPH in the 1/8

so....everything is possible

 

[70]

I was thinking about 8 or 9, but wanted to see what other people are running, has anyone reviewed any of the turbo kits ?

This months Sport compact car actualy mentions the Begi/Flying Miata Turbo kit. - No review.

werd.
Big ups to NOVA

Hmmm, look in the August 2003 issue of Grassroots Motorsports...Right around say, oh, page 151.

There is an excellent review of the Flyin' Protege Turbo...