Its not just me...
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pip7441622
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- Mazdaspeed Protege
I want a convertible...and the S2000 is calling my name. Not untill I can come out at least even on the MSP though. I can wait.
chillinmcmillan
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hey I sold mine and it's not cause I got tired of it, I loved my MSP and I will miss it dearly, it was a great car, but I just love the rsx s that much more, it's a stronger car all around than the MSP. Another reason for selling is that this coming spring I was planning to do basically everything to the MSP (FMIC, turbo back exhaust, forged, new turbo, the whole nine yards) I thought it over and getting into the rsx is just a better idea for me. Bottom line is though that I will miss my MSP and it was a great car!
CommieSpeed
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Iv'e been thinking about this quite a bit lately as well. I was entertaining the idea of getting an RX8....as I work at a Mazda dealership and all. Well, as easy as it would be for me to do this, I decided against it. The power and handling difference just isn't significant enough for me to justify making the switch. Another thing....with all the problems people are having, they really aren't that bad. MOST new cars...ones that aren't even limited production, have issues similiar to ours, if not worse. I can tell you that I drive every car under the sun at my dealership...and soooooo many nice, new cars (anywhere from 0 - 10,000 miles on them) make squeaks, clunks, rattles...have bad brakes, hesitation, crappy shifting trannys, etc etc. GM products have so many recalls and TSBs it's rediculous. When it comes down to it, there are really few cars that have that Crisp, Clean, Delicious taste of a Mazdaspeed Protege.....Mmmmmmm...boosty.
sickspeed94
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i live in STR-4's ville USA, and i'm TIRED of getting my ass handed to me in a straight line... lol but i don't think i'll let my car go except if i do i have a VERY legitimate reason. call me the exception if you will. still love it, and will love it more with MBC soon
may 2005. Yeah, that's what their saying now. That'll change.mspdfreak said:
Anyways, I said 2006 because of the MAzdaspeed 3, assuming it comes out then. Or I'll get a Mazdaspeed 6, but the 2nd year run as I don't really like the looks of the 2005 one enough to slap down 40 grand on it. I'm hoping the refresher model in 2006 will at least have some decent wheels and ground effects on it.
Confused yet?
The deal I was kind of offered as a joke, but a serious and possible joke, would be on a 2005 speed 6. But, I am trying to hold off on getting another car until 2006 as we are redoing the basement in the house in the spring.
But, I'm weak, and you never know. once I see the speed6 in person, I might cave in, and I"ll just "need" to get it
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Hercdriver
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When I bought mine I planned on keeping it for a long time. Unfortunatly mine is up for sale too. I don't have any problems with my MSP. It's just the way things have turned out. My wife doesn't know how to drive a standard and is pretty adamant about not learning on my "baby". We'll probably take it in the shorts in the end but she has to drive something and 3 of the 4 cars are standards. I love the speed and I hope I can find someway to hold onto it. If I keep my asking price where it is I'll never get rid of it so everything might work out in the end after all.
kicker22705
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i'll play devils advocate: i love my car (when it doesn't hessitate)
people, myslef included, are getting bord of the msp because despite it being only 2 years old, it is already lagging far behind in the performance industry and it simply doesn't have the potential nor aftermarket support to catch up without spending some serious cash.
when it first came out, the only comparable vehicles were the SVT Focus, Sentra SE-R, GTI, Tiburon GT, Civic Si, RSX type S, and WRX.
the MSP was one of the creme of the crop cars in the sport compact car industry, but life on top was short lived.
Since then, we have seen new, more powerful cars that have such greater potential than the msp that all came out in such a sort amount of time. suddenly the msp has fallen from contender to pretender.
since the msp we have come to see the arrival of: the SRT-4, new RSX type S, still potent WRX, RX8, 350Z, EvoVIII, and STi. (i know lot of them cost more than the MSP, but they are the cars you see on the streets, they are the cars that own the streets)
simply put, the msp can't compete w/ these cars unless some serious mods are done. Most tuners are only willing to go up to the last bolt on part and maybe a piggyback. the potential the msp can reach w/ just bolt on will take you to stock to slightly moddified performance levels of the new breed of scc i listed above. and who wants to spend all thier money and hard work catching up to a stock evo, just to get smoke by him after heputs on a boost controller.
only thing msp got on these cars is handling, but serious how many people go downhill mountain racing in the US. forget sti and evo, the msp would own in that.
people, myslef included, are getting bord of the msp because despite it being only 2 years old, it is already lagging far behind in the performance industry and it simply doesn't have the potential nor aftermarket support to catch up without spending some serious cash.
when it first came out, the only comparable vehicles were the SVT Focus, Sentra SE-R, GTI, Tiburon GT, Civic Si, RSX type S, and WRX.
the MSP was one of the creme of the crop cars in the sport compact car industry, but life on top was short lived.
Since then, we have seen new, more powerful cars that have such greater potential than the msp that all came out in such a sort amount of time. suddenly the msp has fallen from contender to pretender.
since the msp we have come to see the arrival of: the SRT-4, new RSX type S, still potent WRX, RX8, 350Z, EvoVIII, and STi. (i know lot of them cost more than the MSP, but they are the cars you see on the streets, they are the cars that own the streets)
simply put, the msp can't compete w/ these cars unless some serious mods are done. Most tuners are only willing to go up to the last bolt on part and maybe a piggyback. the potential the msp can reach w/ just bolt on will take you to stock to slightly moddified performance levels of the new breed of scc i listed above. and who wants to spend all thier money and hard work catching up to a stock evo, just to get smoke by him after heputs on a boost controller.
only thing msp got on these cars is handling, but serious how many people go downhill mountain racing in the US. forget sti and evo, the msp would own in that.
I don't know about contender to pretender... if you rate cars by the stopwatch the MSP will never be the fastest except maybe on a coned course, but on a smiles per mile or fun-to-drive scale it's near the top. The only things I'd add would be cruise and a sunroof and it'd be about perfect - oh, and an '035 wing...
but see, that's where the wrong mentallity comes into play.
I love my car for what it is. Not because I can or cannot keep up with some other car. Yet alone when that other car is probably being driven by some pimple'd face teenager who's mommie and daddie but them a EVO.
It's not about who's dick is bigger. It's just about a car. I love my car because it fits my needs perfectly right now. A 4 cyl, fwd, that's good on gas, easy on insurance, has a good stock stereo, fun to drive and looks great. When I see an evo/sti or whatever on the road, the thought of "s*** I can't keep up with him because my car is a @#$#@$%" never even crosses my mind. I admire their car for what it is, and mine for what it is. It stops there. This is where maturity comes into play.
Street racing is for punk kids that know no better. Autocross, and 1/4 are great and all, but are not the reason why I bought this car. In fact, it never even crossed my mind during the entire process of looking at, and test driving this car.
If it did, then I'd be driving something else. Sure, I could drive a mustang, heck it the gt would have cost me the same around here. Yes, i would have been a bit faster. But, the insurance and gas go up, and there's no way in hell I'd drive a mustang in the winter around here.
The car suits my needs and budget better then ANYTHING else out there imho. That's why I have it. And until either my budget changes, or there's another car that's a better buy, I'll keep the speed.
I love my car for what it is. Not because I can or cannot keep up with some other car. Yet alone when that other car is probably being driven by some pimple'd face teenager who's mommie and daddie but them a EVO.
It's not about who's dick is bigger. It's just about a car. I love my car because it fits my needs perfectly right now. A 4 cyl, fwd, that's good on gas, easy on insurance, has a good stock stereo, fun to drive and looks great. When I see an evo/sti or whatever on the road, the thought of "s*** I can't keep up with him because my car is a @#$#@$%" never even crosses my mind. I admire their car for what it is, and mine for what it is. It stops there. This is where maturity comes into play.
Street racing is for punk kids that know no better. Autocross, and 1/4 are great and all, but are not the reason why I bought this car. In fact, it never even crossed my mind during the entire process of looking at, and test driving this car.
If it did, then I'd be driving something else. Sure, I could drive a mustang, heck it the gt would have cost me the same around here. Yes, i would have been a bit faster. But, the insurance and gas go up, and there's no way in hell I'd drive a mustang in the winter around here.
The car suits my needs and budget better then ANYTHING else out there imho. That's why I have it. And until either my budget changes, or there's another car that's a better buy, I'll keep the speed.
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kicker22705
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i was speaking for those who were trading in their cars for the faster one.
obviously you aren't one of them, which is why you don't share the same feelings. props to you on a great decision.
obviously you aren't one of them, which is why you don't share the same feelings. props to you on a great decision.
Someone mentioned aged earlier but then rolled in to a credit thing..
I think it's the age thing plus the crowd that's getting rid of them didn't share the same "wait" and don't have the same "lust" as many of the older members here do. There are some that bought this car just to be cool.. Then there are those that bought this car because they spent night after night reading about it, looking at every picture they could, and just became obsessed, for lack of a better phrase.
I think it's the age thing plus the crowd that's getting rid of them didn't share the same "wait" and don't have the same "lust" as many of the older members here do. There are some that bought this car just to be cool.. Then there are those that bought this car because they spent night after night reading about it, looking at every picture they could, and just became obsessed, for lack of a better phrase.
Instead of multiple posts, I'll make it all one and split it up..
PCM reflash didn't work? Try MPI or Unichip. Hell, LinuxRacr has a standalone that not many others have. Why? Because he researched it.
New cars are just that. New. New technologies, new engines, new designs. We're CONSTANTLY seeing more power; people want it. You will NEVER be able to keep up with it, regardless of if you have a Civic, a Diablo or a Protege. People always want more. Always.
b) We don't have huge magazines throwing out ads for our parts. Nor will we have it because of point a).
c) *WAS*? In it's price range, it still is, opnionly, the best overall car on the market. Handling, exterior styling, audio, interior comfort/design, general performance. While 170 out of a turbo'd 2.0 isn't the greatest, it isn't bad at all considering the base it was built upon.
Also, you don't have to go "downhill mountain racing" to appreciate handling. Try driving in traffic and having to maneuver around a wreck without spinning out and wrecking out yourself. Try finding a nice windy road just to go on. Try taking that exit just a bit faster than you know you should. Try finding a parking lot and just going at it for a while learning what your car CAN do and WILL do with everyday driving. You'd be surprised how much the handling of this car can affect your everyday driving when you actually actively think about it.
Just because you cannot point and click on 50,000 websites for parts doesn't mean our car lacks potential. Go enjoy your car. Quit trying to be the best. This whole world is about evolution. Life. Love. Hobbies. Music. Cars. Clothing. It's all changing. Thats how it is. Make the best with what you have, you'll be much happier than being a slave to the "hottest" or the "newest"
Love it then and fix the problem. If you're in a relationship and you truly love the other person, you don't overlook problems, you address them. You fix them. Save money, get a better job, finish school, rig it up, research.kicker22705 said:
PCM reflash didn't work? Try MPI or Unichip. Hell, LinuxRacr has a standalone that not many others have. Why? Because he researched it.
It has potential, just not the same aftermarket support as a Civic. Again, just because you cannot easily find something on google doesn't mean it's not an option. If you actually take your time and show initiative, you can have a bad ass car.kicker22705 said:
New cars are just that. New. New technologies, new engines, new designs. We're CONSTANTLY seeing more power; people want it. You will NEVER be able to keep up with it, regardless of if you have a Civic, a Diablo or a Protege. People always want more. Always.
a) It's a limited production car.kicker22705 said:
b) We don't have huge magazines throwing out ads for our parts. Nor will we have it because of point a).
c) *WAS*? In it's price range, it still is, opnionly, the best overall car on the market. Handling, exterior styling, audio, interior comfort/design, general performance. While 170 out of a turbo'd 2.0 isn't the greatest, it isn't bad at all considering the base it was built upon.
What?! We're still hearing stories of amateur autocrossers beating experienced drivers. We're still hearing racing kills. We're still hearing our cars are great. Potential isn't the same as mass marketed. EVOs are marketed very well. Why? They're not limited. They have been here and will be here for a while.kicker22705 said:
Own the streets? I've personally beat one SRT-4, 3 RX8s, 2 350Zs. If street racing is owning the streets, sure there are more powerful cars. However, you also have to consider the "ohhhh, what kind of car is that" and the uniqueness of our cars. I know people around here know me because of my car and solely because of it; even when I had a stock exterior appearance. How many silver 350Z owners can say that with a stock exterior appearance? Maybe their neighbors that see them driving down the street everyday. I'm talking Austin, a decent sized city.kicker22705 said:
Serious mods? The 350Z kills and one RX8 was with a boost controller. Period. Serious mod? No. For your point though, again consider the base our car is built upon. An economy family sedan. This was not a competive vehicle.kicker22705 said:
I'm assuming your whole arguement is about power. However, the reason I chose this car is not. If I wanted raw power, I'd buy some old mustang. Winning the streets is not always about how much pwoer your engine puts out.kicker22705 said:
Who wants to have a car that the EVO owner then pulls over to talk to you about? I do. Uniqueness owns cookie cutter anyway.kicker22705 said:
Wrong. A tuner is just that, a tuner. They tune every aspect of their car for peformance, not just bolt on parts.kicker22705 said:
Again, how about styling? Uniqueness? Stock audio?kicker22705 said:
Also, you don't have to go "downhill mountain racing" to appreciate handling. Try driving in traffic and having to maneuver around a wreck without spinning out and wrecking out yourself. Try finding a nice windy road just to go on. Try taking that exit just a bit faster than you know you should. Try finding a parking lot and just going at it for a while learning what your car CAN do and WILL do with everyday driving. You'd be surprised how much the handling of this car can affect your everyday driving when you actually actively think about it.
You're correct if potential to you means looking through Super Street to find cheap parts, as anyone else can do. This car has insane potential, you just have to think outside of the box.kicker22705 said:
Just because you cannot point and click on 50,000 websites for parts doesn't mean our car lacks potential. Go enjoy your car. Quit trying to be the best. This whole world is about evolution. Life. Love. Hobbies. Music. Cars. Clothing. It's all changing. Thats how it is. Make the best with what you have, you'll be much happier than being a slave to the "hottest" or the "newest"
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Also, keep in mind many of us bought our MSPs when they were 20.5k, no bargaining. Sticker price only; like it or leave it. I hate to generalize but like I said before, it seems as though the people lately that have been getting them and then trading them are the ones who thought "oh, its cheap, has a turbo and looks cool. lets get it" and then they are disappointed. I have yet to see more than a couple of the original "OG" MSP owners who did pay the 20k trade in for something else; however I see numerous newer owners talking about trading every day.
There's a love that just doesn't seem to be shared amongst some of us.
There's a love that just doesn't seem to be shared amongst some of us.
kicker22705
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i want to get something clear. i am not bashing the msp i'm am simply stating it has limits that has caused other msp owners to move on.
i should clarify what i meant, when i said "potential" of the car. to me the potential of the engine is what it can handle before the integrity of the engine and its components are compromised while running stock internals. i say this to maintain an common ground every car is limited by.
if modified internals are put into play, the potential of any car is raised dramatically skewing the actually potential capabilities of the engine.
that being said, a msp running stock internals and turbo may reach 250 whp under normal conditions. from now on out, its would be wise to invest in internals. why, b/c the engine wasn't meant to make any more hp. it has reached its potential at 250 whp. thats pretty good i say, however thats just where the evo's, sti's, z's are getting starting, w/ the srt4 and wrx merely a boost controller and downpipe away.
although many people appreciate the msp as a whole, some people simply just wanna be the fastest and don't really care about anything else. unfortunely for many people 250 whp isn't enough, and forged internals is not an appealing options. a more appealing option for them is to move on to an already faster car thats begging for easy mods to make their cars fly.
"Okay, assuming you meant the new RSX atleast 5-7k more than MSP. SRT-4 2-3k more. Evo, WRX, STI, at least 7-10k more. If you managed to get an MSP for around 18,000 or less, put the remaining $$$ into performance now, whatcha got?"
you have a point to an extent. how many people usually have 30g's laying around for a car. its not like they're gonna spend 20 k on the msp and have an extra 10 grand lying around to hook it up. most people fiance their cars 4-5-6-7 years and get incredible low rates. how many banks are gonna approve you on a 10k loan to mod out a car? and if they do it would be much higher rate than the interest rate for buying a brand new car. it would be easy to buy the more expensive car, spread out the payment over 6 years, and spend a little extra cash here and there for little bolt on parts. you'll have the FQ car you want plus the warrenty.
i should clarify what i meant, when i said "potential" of the car. to me the potential of the engine is what it can handle before the integrity of the engine and its components are compromised while running stock internals. i say this to maintain an common ground every car is limited by.
if modified internals are put into play, the potential of any car is raised dramatically skewing the actually potential capabilities of the engine.
that being said, a msp running stock internals and turbo may reach 250 whp under normal conditions. from now on out, its would be wise to invest in internals. why, b/c the engine wasn't meant to make any more hp. it has reached its potential at 250 whp. thats pretty good i say, however thats just where the evo's, sti's, z's are getting starting, w/ the srt4 and wrx merely a boost controller and downpipe away.
although many people appreciate the msp as a whole, some people simply just wanna be the fastest and don't really care about anything else. unfortunely for many people 250 whp isn't enough, and forged internals is not an appealing options. a more appealing option for them is to move on to an already faster car thats begging for easy mods to make their cars fly.
"Okay, assuming you meant the new RSX atleast 5-7k more than MSP. SRT-4 2-3k more. Evo, WRX, STI, at least 7-10k more. If you managed to get an MSP for around 18,000 or less, put the remaining $$$ into performance now, whatcha got?"
you have a point to an extent. how many people usually have 30g's laying around for a car. its not like they're gonna spend 20 k on the msp and have an extra 10 grand lying around to hook it up. most people fiance their cars 4-5-6-7 years and get incredible low rates. how many banks are gonna approve you on a 10k loan to mod out a car? and if they do it would be much higher rate than the interest rate for buying a brand new car. it would be easy to buy the more expensive car, spread out the payment over 6 years, and spend a little extra cash here and there for little bolt on parts. you'll have the FQ car you want plus the warrenty.