I got smoked today!
- Thread starter Mocoso
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how much is it? what's the best/cheapest way to run your car there?
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I hope to take my MS3 to several BMW CCA drivers schools next year. I only made it to one school this year(Motorsport Ranch Oktoberfest 2007), but I had a lot of fun during the instructor sessions...
Ya this was the streets of willow... I did Willow Springs big track twice in the C6 and that was fun but turn 9 is a mother...they recently remodeled and there is very little runoff on turn 8/9 - not turns you want to fubar or youll find yourself against a wall and/or barriers at 90 mph... weird thing is I didnt struggle with the big track but I had a b**** of a time getting the lines right in the streets...
So I uploaded some of the video - if anything for comedic value.. - dont laugh too hard...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B50ayjYTbdk
And if ya have run streets of willow you will realize why I said MS3 (with equally talented drivers) wont keep up with STI's - that track makes awd shine....
One final note: I learned the hard way that the trip computer will tell you 0 Miles remaining when the yellow light goes on.... fuel consumption caught me off guard... yellow light went on in middle of my run... looked at trip computer and it said 0 Miles left... nothing like that to cause sheer panic as to the possible embarrasment of running out of gas (and worse runnign it lean) - Funny as hell to make your cool down lap be the path from racetrack thru service road to gas pumps.... had a lot of puzzled looks as to why I exited track and made a beehive away from pits without stopping and an equal number of knowing looks...
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Great track stories guys.
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Not really a fair comparison, a 33k dollar car that comes with practically race ready rubber. Put some stickier tires on the ms3 and I think it would be a pretty close race with an sti, probably get smoke by an evo though, but that is a cheater car, computer does everything, driver has to do very little.
I will talk to my friend about it and see what he does. Hes been out there like 3 times with his stg3 SS and now hes gotten good at the track so hes running high in his class(they group them up apparently)
Evos, and STis are overrated!!! lol ive worked on them both, gotta say the STi is set up better.
Evos, and STis are overrated!!! lol ive worked on them both, gotta say the STi is set up better.
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Mocoso,
Thanks for the information on your MS3's track performance. I did have a question; how much does your car rotate on a dropped or trailing throttle? I've been using the late apex slow-in, fast-out technique, but I've also found that I can tighten my line quite a bit with trailing throttle. I'm used to doing that with RWD cars, but I've been surprised at how easily I can get my MS3 to transition to oversteer.
Thanks for the information on your MS3's track performance. I did have a question; how much does your car rotate on a dropped or trailing throttle? I've been using the late apex slow-in, fast-out technique, but I've also found that I can tighten my line quite a bit with trailing throttle. I'm used to doing that with RWD cars, but I've been surprised at how easily I can get my MS3 to transition to oversteer.
The rear end on the MS3 will rotate quite nicely on a dropped or trailing throttle... nothing close to a snap oversteer situation though and easily controlled through throttle - you can pretty much stop the rotation with short throttle push.... I have to admit it is one fun thing to do albeit it wasnt helping me with my track times...
Btw on my early runs I was doing the early apex- fast in, slow out technique thinking that is what front wheel drive cars call out for.. boy was I wrong... what Im not sure of is which is supposed to delay the entry into the apex longer (rwd) or (fwd)... I still think the fwd needs to cut for the apex sooner given the tendency to understeer but I think I was waaaayyy too early and hot.
Btw on my early runs I was doing the early apex- fast in, slow out technique thinking that is what front wheel drive cars call out for.. boy was I wrong... what Im not sure of is which is supposed to delay the entry into the apex longer (rwd) or (fwd)... I still think the fwd needs to cut for the apex sooner given the tendency to understeer but I think I was waaaayyy too early and hot.
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yeah the sti comes with re70 way better tire than the ms3 and im sure those guys werer running at least that or R compound.
streets of willow is not about power anyways the smaller cars like honda/civics miatas do well at that track against evo/sti. once you get better tires youll see a bigger difference.
get better brake pads. you could brake a lot later and get faster tiems if you get better brake pads. at least hawk blue for the track.
streets of willow is not about power anyways the smaller cars like honda/civics miatas do well at that track against evo/sti. once you get better tires youll see a bigger difference.
get better brake pads. you could brake a lot later and get faster tiems if you get better brake pads. at least hawk blue for the track.
word. tires and driving sounds like what the op needs to keep up with sti's. evos are significantly faster around a track than sti's, sti's are great fast cars, but shouldn't be slaughtering you on the track if you are running stickier tires.
