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Actual HP and Torque gains will vary depending on your other mods. For instance, at my mod level with catless 3 inch downpipe/racepipe, CAI intake and colder plugs, my data logging shows that the HT actually produces very little additional PEAK hp, but huge amounts of torque increases down low producing power all across the power band and extending well out beyond the stock tune, which we all knows falls off the cliff before 6,000 rpm.
You simply cannot go by peak numbers. They may be great for bragging rights, but they count for little in real world performance. My theory, which the data logging supports is that Hypertech has raised the load limits on the ECU mapping and raises the maximum amount of boost that can be allowed within the particular load, depending on what gear you are in at wide open throttle. A catless downpipe/racepipe coupled with a free flowing intake will already get you to the 18-19 psi boost level under load on stock tune and HT, for safety reasons is not going to exceed that. But HT raises those limits at earlier points in the rpm range and extends them farther out in the range past the stock ECU's 5,500-5,800 rpm peak.
So, the power comes on lower and stays on longer. That translates into very significant improvements in performance, even for cars that are close to fully bolted but still on the stock turbo. It also absolutely eliminated the boost spikes I was getting with these mods on the stock tune.
So, does it make more power for me at my mod level? If you are talking about bragging rights peak horsepower, the answer would be "no, not much more." Does it make a lot more usable power that translates into pushing your ass back in the seat early and keeping it pushed back longer? The answer is damn right, it does. How about 60-100 mph in 6.1 seconds? 40-120 mph in 12.5?
I saw an increase of only 9 hp over my previous mod level. But peak torque was up over 60 foot pounds. More important, however is that this is a broad flat torque curve.
Just remember the very true saying, that while horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
Different mod combinations will produce different results. But your mods can't make more power than the load limits built into the HT. Those limits are there for safety, and should be.
You simply cannot go by peak numbers. They may be great for bragging rights, but they count for little in real world performance. My theory, which the data logging supports is that Hypertech has raised the load limits on the ECU mapping and raises the maximum amount of boost that can be allowed within the particular load, depending on what gear you are in at wide open throttle. A catless downpipe/racepipe coupled with a free flowing intake will already get you to the 18-19 psi boost level under load on stock tune and HT, for safety reasons is not going to exceed that. But HT raises those limits at earlier points in the rpm range and extends them farther out in the range past the stock ECU's 5,500-5,800 rpm peak.
So, the power comes on lower and stays on longer. That translates into very significant improvements in performance, even for cars that are close to fully bolted but still on the stock turbo. It also absolutely eliminated the boost spikes I was getting with these mods on the stock tune.
So, does it make more power for me at my mod level? If you are talking about bragging rights peak horsepower, the answer would be "no, not much more." Does it make a lot more usable power that translates into pushing your ass back in the seat early and keeping it pushed back longer? The answer is damn right, it does. How about 60-100 mph in 6.1 seconds? 40-120 mph in 12.5?
I saw an increase of only 9 hp over my previous mod level. But peak torque was up over 60 foot pounds. More important, however is that this is a broad flat torque curve.
Just remember the very true saying, that while horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
Different mod combinations will produce different results. But your mods can't make more power than the load limits built into the HT. Those limits are there for safety, and should be.
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Capt Crunch
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I don't mean to be a dick, but this is a saying that is utterly false. The car with the most amount of horsepower over the rev range used will be fastest in any situation, regardless of the torque numbers. If you stuck a cummins diesel in an F1 car, it would be much, much slower because it makes less horsepower.
On turbo cars like ours, peak torque occurs in the middle of the rev range. When you increase peak torque, you are basically increasing the mid-range horsepower. That's great, but if you are near redline where your peak horsepower is (like you would be if you were racing), you're not anywhere near your increased midrange. This is why track cars care about horsepower numbers... because they can gear the car to stay in the high horsepower region of the rev range.
That said, increased torque, hence increased mid-range horsepower, is a great thing. When you're squirting around town, you'll often find yourself at 3k rpm, in which case that extra power down low is really nice.
I wrote a long post a couple years ago on the Subaru boards explaining further, in case anyone is interested.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1192834
So I guess it could be:
"Torque is what gets you going, horsepower is what takes you to the top"
Capt Crunch
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For our cars, a high torque figure is good for one thing: if you're at 2.5k RPM and want to move when you put your foot down. If you want to get the most out of your car, however, you shift near the rpm with peak horsepower, not peak torque.
Let's put it this way, if I put 1,000 lbs of iron on the end of a 1 ft I-beam, I'm generating 1,000 ft/lbs or torque. Sadly though, I'm not going anywhere.
oaklandopen
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Essentially anything but a different turbo
Chris@Hypertech
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As long as the MAF is calibrated properly, then the Hypertech tune will work with any intake and exhaust bolt-on mods, as long as you are using the stock turbo.
Chris
Not utterly false. It's true. Actually we are saying the same thing. Perhaps I oversimplified, but the point is that a peaky late torque engine producing the same peak horsepower as an engine that has the same maximum torque that comes on earlier and stays high longer is going to be the car that wins the race. Horsepower is simply a calculation of torque in relationship to engine speed. The longer you can keep the torque high through the largest span of rpm, the quicker the vehicle will accelerate. So, it is, indeed, torque that matters. Horsepower is a function of torque at various rpm.
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Give your impressions of the HT, after you try it out!
Will do, buddy of mine wants to be around when i install it so he can check out the difference as well.
Tronspeed3
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Bought mine about a week ago and it rocks... love the power in 1st and 2nd gear now and a lot more up high in rpms
There may have been an update. Two weeks ago, the tuner had an update to a new version.
