How well do you like your 6??
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My wife and I are looking at a midsize sport/coupe car at the moment. We have so far driven the 2005/06 Pontiac G6, the 2006 Hyundai Sonata (very impressive for a 24K car) and the 2005 Mazda 6. While I strongly prefer the styling of the M6, I noticed one issue with the auto V6 that just absolutely turns me away from this car. Being a fuel injected V6, I expected the throttle response to be just off the wall. We drove both the sport wagon and the 4 door. Keep in mind I am used to driving a 2005 Ford PowerStroke Turbo Diesel 4x4 (8000lbs GVW with a 6 litre turbo diesel). When it came to off the light performance, the M6 seemed to want to wind up to about 2400 RPM before the motor came to life. I tried both just foot to the floor and a gradual acceleration. It was like I was driving my truck waiting for the turbo to kick in. While I disliked the Pontiac G6 and really was impressed by the Sonata (for the money), the engine performance of this M6 off the line just totally turns me away from this car. I was totally expecting sedan comfort with sport car performance. The V6 Sonata chirped the tires with no effort. Is this a 2005 issue or something that is just common with this car and engine? My wife and I both love the styling of the M6, but this engine issue just makes me want to buy the Sonata even more. I told the dealer about my concerns and he really offered no explanation other than maybe they fixed it in '06. We are waiting for an '06 to arrive on the lot so we can do another test drive. If this car doesn't bark the tires off the line, I'm going to walk away. A fuel injected V6 should not have any psuedo turbo lag.
Please help?
Please help?
Your comparing a diesel to a v6. There isn't a comparison. Diesels make all their power down low, and make an incrediable amount of low end torque.
If your looking for off the line power, your not going to find it in an engine designed to rev to 6500 rpm. The 6 doesn't even BEGIN to make power till 3,000, and really isn't zippy till over 4k rpm.
If you aren't willing to drive the car that way, then skip it, and look for a vehicle thats either a diesel, supercharged, or a v8. (Both giving alot of low end umf). No amount of mods for the 6 will forever solve the "off the line" problem. Its by engine design that its power is made at the upper rev's. You'd basically need cam work, engine retuning, or forced induction to solve that problem...Its just not worth it!
There is a computer update to address "off the line hesitation" in the v6 ATX's in the 6s, but thats not going to make it match a car thats been tuned to jump off the line.
Either get a manual, or go with the hyndai, or one of the above choices.
If your looking for off the line power, your not going to find it in an engine designed to rev to 6500 rpm. The 6 doesn't even BEGIN to make power till 3,000, and really isn't zippy till over 4k rpm.
If you aren't willing to drive the car that way, then skip it, and look for a vehicle thats either a diesel, supercharged, or a v8. (Both giving alot of low end umf). No amount of mods for the 6 will forever solve the "off the line" problem. Its by engine design that its power is made at the upper rev's. You'd basically need cam work, engine retuning, or forced induction to solve that problem...Its just not worth it!
There is a computer update to address "off the line hesitation" in the v6 ATX's in the 6s, but thats not going to make it match a car thats been tuned to jump off the line.
Either get a manual, or go with the hyndai, or one of the above choices.
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crossbow said:
I wasn't necessarily comparing the diesel to the V6, but using it as an example to describe what I felt was a performance issue. I'm not expecting it to pull 5.4 second 0-60's, but it feels very very sluggish say from a stand still at a stop light. I mean it won't even chirp the tires... It's a fuel injected motor and while I understand its optimum power band is around 3k, it shouldn't feel like the rubber band needs to wind up before it'll come to life. Maybe the car is just too "family" car oriented and I'm expecting it to be somewhat a sport/touring type car. Still, the Sonata is definately not sport touring and it's engine performance was peppy throughout the entire RPM range.
If there IS a fix for the V6 ATX hesitation, I will wait for an '06 to arrive at the dealer and give it another shot. Hopefully it is addressed in '06 cars and it'll be a bit peppier. My wife and I both really like the 6's.
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I'd wait for th 06 anyways. There's a loss in rebate cash, I think, but the interior is much more classy than the '05 and the 06's V6 loses 5hp in exchange for 9lb/ft of torque down low, which will really help the "off the line" acceleration. We just got a few 4cyl 06's in stock. It's nicer looking car all around.
The test drives from the 06 are indicating suspension changes. (softer, looser, more luxury based) I also disagree with the interior changes. The previous design was consistent and flowed...the new design looks like they threw a bunch of random pieces together and ended up with a bunch of odd color schemes. I mean honestly, the stupid atx shifting plate is just stupid. Whoever designed the new interior needs some design 101 lessons.
And the fix doesn't fix the fact the car has no power below 3k. Just being honest man. If you want pull off the line, pick another car!!!
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about3578.html
And the fix doesn't fix the fact the car has no power below 3k. Just being honest man. If you want pull off the line, pick another car!!!
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about3578.html
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Puckpimp71
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I like the center console in the new one much more and while the cloth in the 05 was rough, the 06 feels much nicer, though a bit cheaper. The center console and the cloth seats were the main objections my customers have had in the 6 and it looks like Mazda is trying to fix them. We'll have to wait and see what the market dictates.
ATX shifter console...Oh yeah thats now a shift boot on my car now. 1 problem solved.
I drove past the san padro one and they had the 06's next to the 05 sports and I'll say they look 100 times better than the internet pictures. I didn't get out of the truck to look at them super up close cause I didn't wanna hear the sales pitch. Side profile gives off a difrent light over 06. The rear side profile reminds me alot of the tsx. Tail lights are a plus compared to the stock and chrome sets. I'll go back later when I'm feeling better.
I drove past the san padro one and they had the 06's next to the 05 sports and I'll say they look 100 times better than the internet pictures. I didn't get out of the truck to look at them super up close cause I didn't wanna hear the sales pitch. Side profile gives off a difrent light over 06. The rear side profile reminds me alot of the tsx. Tail lights are a plus compared to the stock and chrome sets. I'll go back later when I'm feeling better.
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