How To: DIY Ground Wire Kit

NvigR8 said:
I just installed a DIY ground wire kit and now my check engine light is on. Has this happened to anyone else? Its error code P0031 - there is low voltage to the front O2 sensor.

make sure all your fittings are nice and tight. when i made & installed my ground kit, my new battery terminals weren't tight enough & it wouldn't even start (stupid bosch terminals look good, but really suck, btw). went over everything & re-tightened all my connections and it was good as new...
 
I checked all connections - good. Still had the light on. I took all parts of the kit off of the car and the light is still on. Two more things:

1. When I originally installed the kit, I connected one end of a grounding wire to the little metal bracket at the right front of the engine block which happens to have lots of other things wired to it stock. Thinking that might be the problem, I moved the connection. Didn't help but perhaps caused some lasting harm...

2. The O2 sensor is bent a little, but it was that way long before I installed the ground kit.

Any ideas?
 
i hate to act stupid......what do you use to crimp the terminals on to the wire? nothing i have is strong enough
 
Nor did I until someone pointed it out to me. Those 4ga and 0ga crimps are no match for hand crimpers...You'd need something along the lines of a bolt cutter to do it that way! Just not enough torque in my fingers I guess.
 
i bought a grounding kit off of ebay..but i'm thinking i want to do this whole grounding kit myself. cut the wire and everything. i would look through the whole thread and s***, but i'm at work and don't have time. I"m sure someone has already mentioned what to buy and how much and blah blah. i'm just wondering from one of the quesitons i read, should we cut the stock harness, and upgrade the alternator/battery/power wire, to bigger wire, while doing this also? i think it might help..any ideas? ALSO, what are the grounding points? thanks.
 
There seem to be two types of wiring kits out there. One has a big connector with 7 or 8 connectors on it that sits on the negative battery terminal. The other has fewer connectors and those wires are daisy chained out across the engine compartment.

The first type I more or or less understand - it's a single point ground. That's usually the best you can do to get the noise out of an electrical system since the current flowing down one wire doesn't affect the ground provided by the next wire. The gauge of the wire shouldn't be all that critical so long as the resistance is pretty low (less than the path through the chassis). The downside is that all 7 or 8 cables need to be routed to their attachment points.

Conversely, the daisy chained grounding kits are certainly easier to route but could have problems because the current from one point on the chain will affect the ground voltage seen by other points on the chain. The way to minimize that is to use very low resistance wire, since V=IR, the smaller R, the smaller the change in V seen elsewhere along the chain when some other point injects current I.

But I'm just talking out of a textbook. Does anybody know of a reference where they actually measured how well these grounding kits actually work? I'm not talking about the effect on the car (idle, hp, smoothness,etc.) which near as I can tell tends to be reported subjectively, but actual amps and volts and watts going through the grounding kits, and delta-Voltage between the various points that have been grounded.
 
pasadena_commut said:
Does anybody know of a reference where they actually measured how well these grounding kits actually work?

I still have not tracked down exactly what I was after and I'll keep looking. But this link is pretty useful:

http://www.stealth316.com/2-wire-resistance.htm

It provides tools for calculating voltage drops across various wire sizes for various currents. It also gives various specs for wire power ratings for various loads. Anyway, punch in 4' for length and 1 amp for current gives a voltage drop of 2.6mV with 8AWG and 1mV for 4AWG. Neither is very large but if that 1 amp was noisy the resulting 2.6mV of noise feeding into the wrong place might make a difference. The power dissipated in both cases is neglible, P=IV, so 2.6 mW and 1 mW respectively. Still, what temperature rating for the wire insulation have you folks been using? The ground current probably isn't going to melt anything but the heat from the engine sure could.

If we assume that once a good grounding kit is installed all of the current back to the negative battery terminal passes through its wires, roughly how much current would one expect from the various ground points? The starter motor must be the biggest draw, followed by what, the A/C clutch, the radiator cooling fan, headlights, ignition, um, headlights, and ???
 
Gro Harlem said:

The original link is long dead but here is a copy of it complete with pictures:

http://www.clubprotege.com/wil/howto/groundwire/

Now that I've read a bunch of these grounding kit articles, including the original, I'm becoming more and more dubious about the value of most of the grounding points that are employed. Assuming that the car's original grounding system is intact the only parts of the car that are likely to benefit from removing a few millivolts of ground noise are all electronic: some of the sensors, the ECU, and the stereo. (I'm thinking that if any of the sensors read by the ECU are that touchy then the leads betwen that sensor and the ECU probably need to be shielded as well, better grounding might not be good enough.) Things that won't care: the motor, parts belt driven by the motor, the manual transmission, all of the nonelectronic parts of the electrical system (the wires, switches, electrical motors, fuses and bulbs). This suggests that the key grounding points to address, if anything good is to happen at all, are on or near the sensors, ECU, and radio, and of course the primary ground near the battery. This is discussed most clearly here:

http://www.aaroncake.net/rx-7/grounding.htm

I found this a particularly good reference since it shows how to clean up the existing grounding connections, and explains why some of those might be degraded over time, at least on an RX7.

I'm also a bit leery of the wire and connectors people are using for these projects. The core doesn't matter much, 4AWG is 4AWG, but the insulation does matter, and most posts don't indicate any spec at all for the insulation. It should probably be SGX, SXL, or some other high temperature automotive engine compartment grade insulation. In fact, they (including most kit makers) don't say anything at all about the insulation. If the insulation melts, abrades, or fails in any way it might result in a ground to something that should not be grounded or greatly increased corrosion of the ground wires. As for the connectors, these really need to be attached better than the crimp used in normal electrical practice. What works around the house or office building is not necessarily going to hold up for long in an engine compartment, where it is subjected to constant vibration and extreme temperature variations.
 
would this gold plated MTX Thunderstuff 8 gauge battery terminal work for the terminal part of the kit??

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Question?

Has anyone installed this grouding kit?

http://www.racinglab.com/hygrvosywico.html

I bought it just recently but the instructions where for general points in the
engine compartment.(bang)

I much rather see it on the protege5 2003 2.0L.(p5black)

Any pics(pics) and suggestions(hitit) would help.

I have a total of 6 wires and the voltage system which come with the negative and positive terminals.(attn)
 
Why?

DarKrID3r said:
omg did you really purchased that $330 kit?

send it back and get a refund !:P

Well this money was part of my tax refund.

I also bought the injen CAI, hydro shield, greddy cat back evo 2 exhaust
and of course the grounding kit.

The greddy and CAI sound and feel beautiful on the MP5!
I can defenitely feel gains. (cabpatch)

I just figured that this would be a better quality product than just making your own from cheap materials.

That is why I don't mind that I spent the money. But I want to install it correctly.
 

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