And for the people that dont think I know what a war is, I do. I was in Operation Constant Vigil in Ecuador. That fight is still going on today. I lost a good friend there because we had to obide by the rules of engagement. It isnt a popular war like the one in Iraq, we werent there to fight the enemies of the world. We were there to secure swamps and rivers from druglords.
See there is no reason for the media to present this to anyone. For what? so people think that this government is doing something everyone agrees with? Right! That doesnt make ratings, it doesnt feed the peacelovers anger.
See there is no reason for the media to present this to anyone. For what? so people think that this government is doing something everyone agrees with? Right! That doesnt make ratings, it doesnt feed the peacelovers anger.
i can't believe you are equating al-qaida to the people of iraq? the government of iraq, maybe... but not its people. why not just go in there and A-bomb the whole country then? all the iraqis must have had a hand in the terror attacks.
remember, the pendulum swings both ways. i'm not saying that every iraqi is innocent. and i agree with you that in the time of war, there is no time to think. i do appreciate the efforts the troops over there are putting out. i do understand the need to oust a dictator. i am not saying war is easy and during urban warfare, you're supposed to ask questions first and shoot later. it's the other way around... however, i AM saying is that there is a humanistic value to every innocent life that is lost... on both sides of the coin.
hope you get my drift.
remember, the pendulum swings both ways. i'm not saying that every iraqi is innocent. and i agree with you that in the time of war, there is no time to think. i do appreciate the efforts the troops over there are putting out. i do understand the need to oust a dictator. i am not saying war is easy and during urban warfare, you're supposed to ask questions first and shoot later. it's the other way around... however, i AM saying is that there is a humanistic value to every innocent life that is lost... on both sides of the coin.
hope you get my drift.
ghostP5 said:
that's exactly what i'm saying!!! WE CAN'T TELL IN URBAN WARFARE WHO THE ENEMY IS! MUCH LIKE VIETNAM! FARMER OR WARRIOR, WE COULDN'T TELL.
this is the tragedy of war. we have ousted the dictator, now we are left with the guerillas. this is not going to be an easy war to win. may the blood of 500 american soldiers help the grass grow in the deserts of iraq.
this is the tragedy of war. we have ousted the dictator, now we are left with the guerillas. this is not going to be an easy war to win. may the blood of 500 american soldiers help the grass grow in the deserts of iraq.
Equinox said:it looks pretty easy to kill people when they are little white blips in a black world. I bet it would be a tad harder to kill them if they were in High definition color,
Why is that? Do you actually think that seeing that its anactual human being is going to change your mind?LOL.
This is what I dont understand about the politically correct people.
Ok. lets do this:
1.lets replace all the troops bullets with rubber ones.
2.make all the troops uniforms neon green so that everyone knows where they are.
3.make sure they all go to proper english class
4.make them get degree's in basketweaving and gardening
5. make sure they all got A's in social science class
6.cut their pay ( because we dont need all that money going to the troops, there are people that dont want to look for a job that are dieing of hunger here)
7.Lets just shake hands with the terrorists maybe that way they know that they are our friends and wont hurt us.
boostisgood
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Sheesh, It does not look like that was farm land to me. I see a 3 lane road there. 
I also seen what looks like a rifle/machine gun in the second guy that got wasted hands.
I also seen what looks like a rifle/machine gun in the second guy that got wasted hands.Turbo Matty P
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When you're at war with a country/people/dictator people will be killed. Innocents, those who are guilty, bystanders, people not where they should be. If I were a soldier and I saw three people around a covered truck and farming equpiment I would be VERY cautious. You never know what they use to conceal weapons. s***, they used our own airplanes as bombs/missles against us. Whats to say they dont have some sort of SAM on that tractor or in the back of the truck??
The guy who was shot and wounded should've stayed his dumb-ass under the truck until they were gone. It would've been better than taking Apache-fire again.
The guy who was shot and wounded should've stayed his dumb-ass under the truck until they were gone. It would've been better than taking Apache-fire again.
First, I support the war, and I will give the troops the benefit of the doubt, at first.
However, I don't want to hear any of you idiots tell me I can't say something about what I see unless I was "there." YES I CAN. I pay taxes, and this is my goddamn country. So don't tell me what I can say and I can't say. You weren't sitting in that ******* Apache either, so shut the **** up about the stupid argument that "oh, you weren't there, you don't understand." Well, I am not an dumbass, and I can watch a video just as much as you can. That's a loser argument is there ever was one.
Second, to whoever the jackass was up the thread who equated someone who has a different opinion on the video to the "enemy," **** YOU. This is America, and just because someone has a difference in opinion, they are NOT the enemy. Go back to Nazi ******* Germany is that is your attitude. Nazi Germany (and Saddam's Iraq): "If you don't agree with us, you are the enemy." Funny people here are spitting on Saddam, yet they act in someways like Saddam
Third, sometimes the troops are going to **** up and/or violate the rules of engagement. In my opinion, we do not know what happened on this tape. However, I am not going to blindly march along and say the pilots were right. I don't know, and you are a liar if you say you know. You can't tell, from this video alone, what happened.
Finally, I plead that you support the foundations of America. Our Constitution is a blazing light of logic and truth. It stands alone against the evils in this world, but when our own Americans denigrate it by their ideas and words, it is lost. If you want to act like a Nazi facist, get the **** out of my country. If you don't really understand what that means, you need to go back to school. This country doesn't have time for facists, and you are an anti-American **** if you insist on being a facist. These comments are directed toward several of you up the thread i.e. Mathew. Real Americans don't say things like "you don't have a right to say something because you weren't there." This statement is only an attempt to stifle debate, and obscure the truth. I, and America, will not stand for it. I also won't stand for people labeling those with differing opinions "the enemy." Like I said, if this is your attitude, hit the bricks. I know many bad little countries around that world that love that kind of thinking, and will be glad to have you. America, for sure, doesn't tolerate it.
And before you say, this or that about me, I suggest you don't know who I am or what I have seen. Thus, make your arguments based on more than "you don't know."
However, I don't want to hear any of you idiots tell me I can't say something about what I see unless I was "there." YES I CAN. I pay taxes, and this is my goddamn country. So don't tell me what I can say and I can't say. You weren't sitting in that ******* Apache either, so shut the **** up about the stupid argument that "oh, you weren't there, you don't understand." Well, I am not an dumbass, and I can watch a video just as much as you can. That's a loser argument is there ever was one.
Second, to whoever the jackass was up the thread who equated someone who has a different opinion on the video to the "enemy," **** YOU. This is America, and just because someone has a difference in opinion, they are NOT the enemy. Go back to Nazi ******* Germany is that is your attitude. Nazi Germany (and Saddam's Iraq): "If you don't agree with us, you are the enemy." Funny people here are spitting on Saddam, yet they act in someways like Saddam
Third, sometimes the troops are going to **** up and/or violate the rules of engagement. In my opinion, we do not know what happened on this tape. However, I am not going to blindly march along and say the pilots were right. I don't know, and you are a liar if you say you know. You can't tell, from this video alone, what happened.
Finally, I plead that you support the foundations of America. Our Constitution is a blazing light of logic and truth. It stands alone against the evils in this world, but when our own Americans denigrate it by their ideas and words, it is lost. If you want to act like a Nazi facist, get the **** out of my country. If you don't really understand what that means, you need to go back to school. This country doesn't have time for facists, and you are an anti-American **** if you insist on being a facist. These comments are directed toward several of you up the thread i.e. Mathew. Real Americans don't say things like "you don't have a right to say something because you weren't there." This statement is only an attempt to stifle debate, and obscure the truth. I, and America, will not stand for it. I also won't stand for people labeling those with differing opinions "the enemy." Like I said, if this is your attitude, hit the bricks. I know many bad little countries around that world that love that kind of thinking, and will be glad to have you. America, for sure, doesn't tolerate it.
And before you say, this or that about me, I suggest you don't know who I am or what I have seen. Thus, make your arguments based on more than "you don't know."
We were referring to be "there", as in there in war.
Not "an" dumbass? I'm really impressed. The word "an" is used before words that begin with a vowel such as "you are <i>an</i> idiot"
So does every other 99.99 percent of America, you want a ******* cookie?
these guys do not look like farmers to me.
this is a very biased footage showing just one side of the story
i have to agree it does make good anti-american propaganda-
evil americans killing innocent civilans...
footage like this will surely fuel anti-american sentiment for some some,especially in the middle east
people that think that soldiers just go about killing civilans are either stupid or very ignorant.
soldiers are trained to defend themselves and use lethal force only when neccessary .
soldiers answer to their superiors and are responsible for their actions as well.
what happened before the apache attacked?
did it occur to some that these so called "farmer"guys were actually firing off weapons and the apache was called in for support?
this is a very biased footage showing just one side of the story
i have to agree it does make good anti-american propaganda-
evil americans killing innocent civilans...
footage like this will surely fuel anti-american sentiment for some some,especially in the middle east
people that think that soldiers just go about killing civilans are either stupid or very ignorant.
soldiers are trained to defend themselves and use lethal force only when neccessary .
soldiers answer to their superiors and are responsible for their actions as well.
what happened before the apache attacked?
did it occur to some that these so called "farmer"guys were actually firing off weapons and the apache was called in for support?
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Roywhitep5
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it pisses me off that this footage leaked out but it pisses me off even more that it dosent show the begining (why the helicopter was shooting at them. i doubt that the army would let two pilots go out and engage innocent civilians as target practice.
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**** i hate the Politically correct **** wit wankers.How come they always seem to be Uni students fagets or lesbians and have no direction in life i suppose they need one so they follow the leader and become a soft cock do gooder.
Just think were the world would be without the US Military Scary ha!
Court marshal the asshole who let this video out if it was not meant to be.
But what a gun that Apache has go boys give it to them
(rockon)
Just think were the world would be without the US Military Scary ha!
Court marshal the asshole who let this video out if it was not meant to be.
But what a gun that Apache has go boys give it to them
(rockon)
s6xtysecassasin
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You know you guys I dont really support anything War or Not War, because in actuality none of us know if it was right or wrong to go to war or go to any war, how do we know what is justified and what is not. You know there is always going to be hate in this world, and there will always be killings and murders. Why? Because that is human nature. All of us fighting over this is not going to solve anything, none of us really know the exact circumstances of this video...story...or whatever, only the pilots do and those guys on the ground. Nobody is perfect, and sure if I was flying that helicopter and someone posed a threat I would try my hardest to come out on top. But all of us always fighting about this s*** is not going to solve anything, because some of you sound like real jackasses..
You guys are saying to Matthew and Ghost that they dont know really what happened, they might not, but out of many of us they have been over there, they know what we are dealing with. Out of all the post I have read about these guys and reading what they say, they seem like pretty reasonable guys, and pretty nice.And i think if they thought somthing was wrong with what was going on over there they would tell us. I think there is a loyalty when they join to serve this country stronger then any other loyalty then what they have for there commrads, and a loyalty for there Family. They have kids, wifes, mothers and fathers that could not survive without them...
I am not taking sides because I choose not to, becuase until you or I or the next guy become President or another high official, none of us will know all the facts... People are starting to discriminate against people like it was in the 50's and 60's, but the reason for that is that we are scared, we are scared for our Loved ones, because not enough of us know what Muslim people are about. The media says the Kuran is a book of the devil, a book of hate, they say there is a justification for every bad deed. There is not I have read it from cover to cover, it is a book just like the Bible, they have prophets, they have gods, It says covert you neighbor and they and you will see the truth of Muhammed, it is just like saying convert your friend in Chrisitanity and they will reach the pearly gates of Heaven. I am not saying either religion is right or wrong.
But for as long as man has lived there has been these wars, these holy wars. Al-queda and Hamas, and TRG, are saying destroy all the Christians and Jews, and any of there supporters, it does not say this is in the Kuran. 80% of Americans think that all Middle Eastern people are extremests,"I mean look at that guy and his turbin, we better watch him he might kill us", well look at that mormon and his Blonde hair and Blue eyes, he might try to steal are wifes and our daughters and start a 8 wife family.Why does society always bring down a group for there extreme people, that minute population of all groups, and then the group is unfairly crusified by everyone? It doesnt make sense. Most people are afraid of what they dont know. Like most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan and India are Hindu, I mean Hiduism is one of the most gentle religion, except in the early stages of sacrifice..lol.. I mean all this s*** you guys has to stop. All this argueing shows that we are ignorant, I understand sticking up for your fellow brethren but we understand you, and a lot of us can try to cope with what you are facing. We understand you have gone over and faught your heart out for my mistaken freedoms, well i hope all of us try to cope, because i do, i try to think of my friends and what they are experiencing and i cannot even imagine what they see. The death the destruction, and just pure chaos. Everyday they get up they have to think" hey I might die today", and they have to live that way for a long time. I heard somone say that soldiers are always looking for a battle. I bet Matthew when he was over in Iraq only hoped for no gun fire that day, and hoped and prayed to whatever god he believes in that he would come out un-scaved. And I bet Ghost thought the same thing.
I understand to only what I know why we are fighting and why people die, I only understand because I let myself understand, and everyday when I drive down the road and I see a grip of girls walking with short ass shorts, and skirts, that I know I live in America, and when I can speak my free mind, and not get in trouble and have my tongue cut out for treason's acts. Because I live in America, the land of the brave and the free, so i consume everything, every news article everything on TV everybook that I think would help me make my own descion, and my own thougts, and I recommend all of you who dont already do this to do this. But remember dont believe everything you read and especially hear on TV. I try to let my friends and family understand as well, when they do something, like talk bad about out troops talk bad about our government, and just do things that would not be accepted in other countries, I tell them, and I tell them what would happen to them if they did do this, in another country. You all might think I'm full of it and that I dont know what I am talking about, and that I might make you take offense to me, and that is why it is great to live in the Country, because that is your freedom, to say whatever you want to , to me, and nothing will happen. Tempers will flare , peoples pride will get damaged, thats life, thats my freedom, I can accept your insult and let it harm me pride, or I can overcome by just not replying due to, THAT I DONT HAVE TO BECAUSE THAT IS MY FREEDOM.
I love this country and I love the people, and I do not mistake my freedoms, but i do make mistakes i'm human thats why I am running for president in the year 2016.
lol:wtf:
You guys are saying to Matthew and Ghost that they dont know really what happened, they might not, but out of many of us they have been over there, they know what we are dealing with. Out of all the post I have read about these guys and reading what they say, they seem like pretty reasonable guys, and pretty nice.And i think if they thought somthing was wrong with what was going on over there they would tell us. I think there is a loyalty when they join to serve this country stronger then any other loyalty then what they have for there commrads, and a loyalty for there Family. They have kids, wifes, mothers and fathers that could not survive without them...
I am not taking sides because I choose not to, becuase until you or I or the next guy become President or another high official, none of us will know all the facts... People are starting to discriminate against people like it was in the 50's and 60's, but the reason for that is that we are scared, we are scared for our Loved ones, because not enough of us know what Muslim people are about. The media says the Kuran is a book of the devil, a book of hate, they say there is a justification for every bad deed. There is not I have read it from cover to cover, it is a book just like the Bible, they have prophets, they have gods, It says covert you neighbor and they and you will see the truth of Muhammed, it is just like saying convert your friend in Chrisitanity and they will reach the pearly gates of Heaven. I am not saying either religion is right or wrong.
But for as long as man has lived there has been these wars, these holy wars. Al-queda and Hamas, and TRG, are saying destroy all the Christians and Jews, and any of there supporters, it does not say this is in the Kuran. 80% of Americans think that all Middle Eastern people are extremests,"I mean look at that guy and his turbin, we better watch him he might kill us", well look at that mormon and his Blonde hair and Blue eyes, he might try to steal are wifes and our daughters and start a 8 wife family.Why does society always bring down a group for there extreme people, that minute population of all groups, and then the group is unfairly crusified by everyone? It doesnt make sense. Most people are afraid of what they dont know. Like most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan and India are Hindu, I mean Hiduism is one of the most gentle religion, except in the early stages of sacrifice..lol.. I mean all this s*** you guys has to stop. All this argueing shows that we are ignorant, I understand sticking up for your fellow brethren but we understand you, and a lot of us can try to cope with what you are facing. We understand you have gone over and faught your heart out for my mistaken freedoms, well i hope all of us try to cope, because i do, i try to think of my friends and what they are experiencing and i cannot even imagine what they see. The death the destruction, and just pure chaos. Everyday they get up they have to think" hey I might die today", and they have to live that way for a long time. I heard somone say that soldiers are always looking for a battle. I bet Matthew when he was over in Iraq only hoped for no gun fire that day, and hoped and prayed to whatever god he believes in that he would come out un-scaved. And I bet Ghost thought the same thing.
I understand to only what I know why we are fighting and why people die, I only understand because I let myself understand, and everyday when I drive down the road and I see a grip of girls walking with short ass shorts, and skirts, that I know I live in America, and when I can speak my free mind, and not get in trouble and have my tongue cut out for treason's acts. Because I live in America, the land of the brave and the free, so i consume everything, every news article everything on TV everybook that I think would help me make my own descion, and my own thougts, and I recommend all of you who dont already do this to do this. But remember dont believe everything you read and especially hear on TV. I try to let my friends and family understand as well, when they do something, like talk bad about out troops talk bad about our government, and just do things that would not be accepted in other countries, I tell them, and I tell them what would happen to them if they did do this, in another country. You all might think I'm full of it and that I dont know what I am talking about, and that I might make you take offense to me, and that is why it is great to live in the Country, because that is your freedom, to say whatever you want to , to me, and nothing will happen. Tempers will flare , peoples pride will get damaged, thats life, thats my freedom, I can accept your insult and let it harm me pride, or I can overcome by just not replying due to, THAT I DONT HAVE TO BECAUSE THAT IS MY FREEDOM.
I love this country and I love the people, and I do not mistake my freedoms, but i do make mistakes i'm human thats why I am running for president in the year 2016.
lol:wtf:
s6xtysecassasin
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Holy s*** I am retarted, I get off on these tangents, I should write a ******* novel on all my inoccous thoughts. All i can say is instead of supporting a group, just support Human kind, because as it goes now we will all be dead in a few years anyway, and I am not afraid of death, because death is afraid of me...
