Here is another blown motor

yashooa · Dec 30, 2003

1st MP3 in NH said:
Becuase the car was not ment to boost to the level people are putting it too. There is no fuel or proper timing curves in the ECU to support it.

Most people will hopefully remember those that warned against raising the boost on an MSP to even 10 PSI. Several of us made it very clear that it was not a good idea but then 20 others would comment that they have been fine doing it. We replied with its simpy a matter of time. THat time for her was now. Others' time will come aswell.

OMG It's Miss Cleo...

Let me guess I'll find love, win a 100 million dollar lotto, and blow my engine oh well I guess it couldn't all be good

Welcome to the Psychic MP3 network we see all, we know all, nothing is hidden from our "special" sight. It as much a burden as it is a gift. (k)

03MSPRO · Dec 30, 2003

1st MP3 in NH said:
Becuase the car was not ment to boost to the level people are putting it too. There is no fuel or proper timing curves in the ECU to support it.

Most people will hopefully remember those that warned against raising the boost on an MSP to even 10 PSI. Several of us made it very clear that it was not a good idea but then 20 others would comment that they have been fine doing it. We replied with its simpy a matter of time. THat time for her was now. Others' time will come aswell.

but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

YP5 Toronto · Dec 30, 2003

yashooa said:
OMG It's Miss Cleo...
Let me guess I'll find love, win a 100 million dollar lotto, and blow my engine oh well I guess it couldn't all be good

Welcome to the Psychic MP3 network we see all, we know all, nothing is hidden from our "special" sight. It as much a burden as it is a gift. (k)

(if I am misreading this and this was meant as a sarcastic joke...then my mistake).

This is the type of MSP s*** people talk about... There are people that try to provide some insight and a different perspective on things.

Instead...you insist on shitting on those that are simply trying to help.

If some of you insist on not having an OPEN ear towards information that may save you money and time down the road then shut the **** up and let the others go about their business.

Its posts like these that prevent many of those with knowledge in posting. Which sucks for the other MSP owners that truelly want to learn or unlearn from others.

some of you really are a piece of work..... why bother coming to this board? Go make start your own....

sorry to everyone...regarding this post.... sometimes you just have to vent.

MikeBlueP5 · Dec 30, 2003

his kit is good up to 6 psi with the RRFPR that BEGI supplied him, he also has a wideband 02 to monitor the afr. the boost gauge and a mbc/fcd combo that most msp owners are using doesnt monitor anything. Obviously he knows whats going on or his mp3 wouldnt still be running. IF im correct he even has one of the prototype BEGI kits so its been running far longer than the msp has been in production.

YP5 Toronto · Dec 30, 2003

03MSPRO said:
but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

Its not about being better (which seems to be the general attitude --> my dick is bigger than yours ..nanananana).

Do you think he has ANYTHING TO GAIN from trying (had tried, like many of us in the past) from providing you with an alternate point of view.

You seem to take critism or points of knowledge that SEEM to devalue or degrade your car's capabilities or worth as if it was a physical part of your body. your sense of self esteem or self worth rides soooo heavily on your car that a post like 1st MP3's that you need to fight back with stupidity.

Again.... this does NOTHING for this community...nor for the LONG term growth of the MSP and its members.

unwrittenLaw · Dec 30, 2003

I've always been concerned w/ just upping the boost w/o proper tuning and modifications...That's why I never got the FPR/FCD..becuase I know that a rich fuel map is safer and that the fuel cut is there for a reason....I guess I'm just a bigger pussy...

YP5 Toronto · Dec 30, 2003

MikeBlueP5...thank you....

SOME of you spend all this money and take risks with your car and don't even know what a wideband is... and a T3 @ 5psi is totally safe....

BinaryRotary · Dec 30, 2003

**** em.

boostisgood · Dec 30, 2003

To elaborate more on the wieght issue I brought up.

If you take your car to the dyno, and tune it for 12 psi, ect ect ect, you will still ru nthe chance of blowing your car, when you get on the road. WHY you as?

Simple, there is no true load on the drive train, while the car is on the dnyo. There is no compensation for the wieght of the car, that the dyno can apply to the rollers, to simulate driving a 2k lbs car on the road.

Therefore, a car running close to its limits at 12 psi, with a 180 lbs person in it, will be well over its limits when 4 people weighing 180lbs each get in.

funnylittlman · Dec 30, 2003

That makes sense

Aricjm15 · Dec 30, 2003

03MSPRO said:
but you are boosting 5 psi with a T3??? how many psi is that with a T25? what kind of ECU or fuel management do YOU have? better than the MSP?
Practice what you preach and lower your boost levels!!

see the BEGI/FM kit has what is called an INTERCOOLER
yes your car has one too, but it is very very bad, and small. So when you run higher boost, because you have a smaller turbo and a bad intercooler you are doing nothing but blow HOT AIR into your engine, so it is safe for people with the Fm/begi kit to run 7psi

if half the people here would get better intercoolers there would probably be alot less blown engines

yashooa · Dec 30, 2003

unwrittenLaw said:
I've always been concerned w/ just upping the boost w/o proper tuning and modifications...That's why I never got the FPR/FCD..becuase I know that a rich fuel map is safer and that the fuel cut is there for a reason....I guess I'm just a bigger pussy...

Yes your vagina is just so, so, HUGE

No wait I don't have a FCD or a FPR either, perhaps my cooch is Supa sized as well. :'(

yashooa · Dec 30, 2003

YP5 Toronto said:
(if I am misreading this and this was meant as a sarcastic joke...then my mistake).

This is the type of MSP s*** people talk about... There are people that try to provide some insight and a different perspective on things.

Instead...you insist on shitting on those that are simply trying to help.

If some of you insist on not having an OPEN ear towards information that may save you money and time down the road then shut the **** up and let the others go about their business.

Its posts like these that prevent many of those with knowledge in posting. Which sucks for the other MSP owners that truelly want to learn or unlearn from others.

some of you really are a piece of work..... why bother coming to this board? Go make start your own....

sorry to everyone...regarding this post.... sometimes you just have to vent.

Dear Sarcasticly impaired,
It was a joke hence all the

faces and smoochy (k)

Peace out "Puppy man"
I guess all that cold froze your sense of humour maybe in the spring you will be able to laugh once again.

yashooa · Dec 30, 2003

BinaryRotary said:
**** em.

Look it's Aqua Teen Hunger Tech...(nana)

03MSPRO · Dec 30, 2003

You seem to take critism or points of knowledge that SEEM to devalue or degrade your car's capabilities or worth as if it was a physical part of your body. your sense of self esteem or self worth rides soooo heavily on your car that a post like 1st MP3's that you need to fight back with stupidity.
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REALLY? stupidity? Search for my posts and answers.
You have no idea what you are saying halg the time and you are the one caught BS'ing, not me. Does the word injectors bring anything to mind?
I am sure 1st MP3 can defend himself and does not need any help. I fully respect 1st MP3 and did not mean anything by it, but his response was incomplete and I am sorry to disagree with him, I don't think it is accurate either about the car needing tunning at 10 psi, IF you do other thing that will prevent knock.
This is the problem with the internet and e-mail, a lot of information get misinterpreted. Peace.
By the way, do you know exactly how many psi using a T25 is equal to 5 psi using a T3 turbo based on the flow spec of each tubine?

03MSPRO · Dec 30, 2003

yashooa said:
Dear Sarcasticly impaired,
It was a joke hence all the faces and smoochy (k)

Peace out "Puppy man"
I guess all that cold froze your sense of humour maybe in the spring you will be able to laugh once again.

Don't worry dude. You are always helping on this board. This guy is just having a bad day or something.

JTP · Dec 30, 2003

But would adding an intercooler, colder plugs, feul and timing management, bigger injectors, forgred internals really cure all.

MSpeed · Dec 30, 2003

i believe Brian MP5T said it best... after doing all of this you just run into the next weakest link... the tranny and axles

jersey_emt · Dec 30, 2003

Aricjm15 said:
see the BEGI/FM kit has what is called an INTERCOOLER
yes your car has one too, but it is very very bad, and small. So when you run higher boost, because you have a smaller turbo and a bad intercooler you are doing nothing but blow HOT AIR into your engine, so it is safe for people with the Fm/begi kit to run 7psi

if half the people here would get better intercoolers there would probably be alot less blown engines

Yup...Smaller turbos generate more heat than larger ones. So our itty-bitty T25 turbo, which is already putting out a helluva lot of heat, is being put through a itty-bitty intercooler that can barely do its job at stock boost.

And when you increase the boost, the already high temperatures are increased even higher.

Higher intake air temperatures = higher risk of knock = boom.

Cool the intake air with a CAI and FMIC, and decrease the backpressure in the exhaust, and you'll have a more powerful and safer setup. And some dealers will still honor your warranty with these airflow mods.

BinaryRotary · Dec 30, 2003

yashooa said:
Look it's Aqua Teen Hunger Tech...(nana)

Oh yeah!

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