Wait ..... wut? I guess the definition of an SUV is pretty nebulous these days - but this statement is more than a stretch. The reality is these are just body styles on a car chassis.
This thread has sure gone off the rails re CRV vs CX5.
Help Me Decide: CX-5 vs. CR-V
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Wait ..... wut? I guess the definition of an SUV is pretty nebulous these days - but this statement is more than a stretch. The reality is these are just body styles on a car chassis.
This thread has sure gone off the rails re CRV vs CX5.
Consumer Reports has Mazda ranked higher than Honda. See Toyota and Honda are the two biggest beneficiaries off their reputation for reliability. Difference is Toyota is still making highly reliable cars and Honda is more mid-pack. Honda's achilles heel had always been their automatic transmissions. From their V6 automatics to their modern CVTs. Their mainstream trannies can't really deal with high power and torque. Hence tuning their turbo CVTs is straight up palmface material.
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/
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Ok, back on topic. Bluegrass... get the Mazda. First off, did you really expect the Mazda people to tell you anything different? 
Second... I was in your shoes last November. For me it was a) Jeep Cherokee or b) Mazda CX-5. The Jeep had a few features for a few dollars less then the Mazda. Yes, that's right, less. Unless I added the Panoramic Roof which would have made it more. Better financing on the Mazda, but overall price was lower by about a $1,000 on the Jeep. After I had narrowed it down to these 2, I researched. And researched. and researched. I stopped strangers (with Mazda's) on the street.
A friend of mine commented "It's pretty obvious to me you want the Mazda. Why are you dicking around?" He continued "It's as if you're looking for a reason to hate the Mazda so you will feel better about getting the Jeep."
He was right. The Jeep had a heated steering wheel. Not must have, but my wife would love it. The Jeep had rear seat vents for AC. And the rear seat reclined about an inch.
Yet... I was still drawn to the Mazda.
They felt very similar power wise.
But handling? Looks? I couldn't shake how the Mazda excelled in those 2 categories. Seat positioning was far superior.
I just couldn't shake it how the important stuff to me just blew away not only the Jeep... but the Honda and the Subaru.
Stop trying to talk yourself out of it.
Get the Mazda.
Fast forward a month: no bulls***, my Mother In Law buys the EXACT JEEP... down to the color (minus the pano roof) that I would have bought. I've driven it a lot. I did not make a mistake. My wife... agreed. "I'm so glad you didn't get that Jeep... it feels like driving a bus..."
Second... I was in your shoes last November. For me it was a) Jeep Cherokee or b) Mazda CX-5. The Jeep had a few features for a few dollars less then the Mazda. Yes, that's right, less. Unless I added the Panoramic Roof which would have made it more. Better financing on the Mazda, but overall price was lower by about a $1,000 on the Jeep. After I had narrowed it down to these 2, I researched. And researched. and researched. I stopped strangers (with Mazda's) on the street.
A friend of mine commented "It's pretty obvious to me you want the Mazda. Why are you dicking around?" He continued "It's as if you're looking for a reason to hate the Mazda so you will feel better about getting the Jeep."
He was right. The Jeep had a heated steering wheel. Not must have, but my wife would love it. The Jeep had rear seat vents for AC. And the rear seat reclined about an inch.
Yet... I was still drawn to the Mazda.
They felt very similar power wise.
But handling? Looks? I couldn't shake how the Mazda excelled in those 2 categories. Seat positioning was far superior.
I just couldn't shake it how the important stuff to me just blew away not only the Jeep... but the Honda and the Subaru.
Stop trying to talk yourself out of it.
Get the Mazda.
Fast forward a month: no bulls***, my Mother In Law buys the EXACT JEEP... down to the color (minus the pano roof) that I would have bought. I've driven it a lot. I did not make a mistake. My wife... agreed. "I'm so glad you didn't get that Jeep... it feels like driving a bus..."
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Yea, I don't necessarily agree with the direction Honda has gone either, but their B Series 4cyls are the best ever made (Toyota 22R as well), for NA anyways.
Have they ever come back recently and advised us their choice?
OP here.
I have not yet decided between the CX-5 and CR-V. I'm primarily waiting on crash/safety ratings for the CX-5 before I make a decision.
I was leaning more towards the CX-5 when I first started this process.
However, I've grown leery of the CX-5 for several reasons that forum member have pointed out...
- RUST. It looks like several people have serious & premature rust issues.
- Leather and plastics that scuff easily.
- A "sticky" rubber-like dash material that is a dust magnet and is hard to clean.
- Clunky NAV system operation.
- Safety features that are "annoyances," "too sensitive" or simply don't work well.
I keep my vehicles for 10+ years, and I'm particular about maintaining them and keeping them clean.
Therefore, these issues border on being deal-breakers for me.
I've got both of these on my Mazda6 and they are a great extra safety feature to have. Got no issues what so ever and I don't expect to any when I get my CX-5
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They'l be fine. I'd be amazed if Mazda came in low somehow.
As someone looking at the two, and leaning Honda actually, most of those items didn't even trigger for me. But I'm weird, I once traded in a Speed6 for an Altima Hybrid. On the other hand, given the cost of keeping the Speed6 on the road, and after they F'd up the turbo, while supposedly fixing it, maybe it makes more sense.
These cars all come with a lifetime rust guarantee. None of my interior is scuffed except for the rear compartment which got beat up a bit during a move. The dashboard does attract dust, don't they all, but mine cleans up easily enough. The only problem with the dashboard is that it's a bit sticky so when I hit it with a paper towel, it leaves towel flakes. I've heard bad things about the Honda navigation too. The benefit there, however, is car play, something we'll see on the Mazda, someday but the navigation on the Honda is $1K more but an EX-L + Nav is pretty much the same cost as a GT. The safety features aren't magic. When I test drove the Honda the lane departure was kind of annoying to me and I've read stories, but all of these things have stories, so who knows. I suspect they're pretty close to equal on the safety features.
Somehow I doubt it will be the same. If anything, all the changes should improve the results
Maybe my wife and I are shallower than the average buyers, but looks of a vehicle matter. It's Exhibit 1 in our shopping process. Almost objectively, the CX-5 is the best looking CUV being sold...luxury or otherwise.
That said, the CX-5 didn't disappoint with all of the additional features, especially in the GT trim with PeP.
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That said, the CX-5 didn't disappoint with all of the additional features, especially in the GT trim with PeP.
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Sounds like the CRV is a good fit for you. You're right Mazda's have been known to have rust issues, I see it reported not only in this Mazda forum but a few others online as well. The NAV system in the CRV is far better as it uses Garmin-based navigation with live traffic udpates. Don't like the Garmin system? You can use Apple CarPlay/Android Auto. Also the EX trim of the CRV comes with the entire Honda Sensing safety package.
+Turbo
+Better MPG
+Better resale value
+More Cargo space
+Honda reliability
+Low priced HondaCare extended warranties
+Huge aftermarket for parts once more of these hit the roads
+Factory installed dead-pedal on all trims
It's already won 3 'Best Of' awards in it's 6 months of availability:
AutoTrader:
http://www.autotrader.ca/expert/20170515/comparison-test-2017-compact-suvs-part-2-40-000/
Autoguide:
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...de-com-utility-vehicle-of-the-year-award.html
CarAndDriver:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/best-compact-suv-honda-cr-v-2017-10best-trucks-and-suvs
And if you plan on keeping it for 10+ years, getting a Honda or Toyota is the way to go. It's also very easy to sell these vehicles as they are in demand even when they're 10+ years old with lots of mileage.
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All of these issues have been mentioned by other forum members in the last week or so.
Several people posted multiple pictures of serious undercarriage rust, and even rust on interior parts. The cars come with a guarantee for rust-through perforation of body panels. This does nothing for undercarriage components rusting away.
And I don't know if I want to deal with a "sticky" dust-collecting dashboard for the next 10 years.
With all due respect, your posts become tiring, redundant and repetitive. You remind me of a sleazy car salesman droning on about how great their car is.
Regarding your list...
- Turbo: This is not a plus for me. I prefer a NA engine...one less major engine component to worry about 10 years from now.
- MPG: Could certainly be a plus. However, I'm waiting to see what Car and Driver's real world observed MPG is for both of these cars.
I think they might be much closer than EPA estimates suggest.
- Resale Value: Not a plus for me. I keep cars for 11-14 years, so they are nearly fully depreciated, and worth very little when I sell them.
- Cargo Space: Not sure this is a plus. According to C&D, both vehicles hold the same amount of real world cargo with the seats up.
The CR-V only holds 3 more pieces with the seats down.
- Reliability: This is a big one for me. However, it's not clear that the CR-V has a big advantage here. I would like more data for these specific vehicles.
- Extended Warranties: Not a plus. These are rip-off dealer profit centers that I NEVER buy.
- Aftermarket Parts: Not sure about this. There will be widely available parts for both vehicle. Besides, I shouldn't NEED any parts if they are reliable.
You mention the awards of the CR-V. Car and Driver also give the CX-5 very high marks. I'm waiting for them to do a comparison test with these vehicles.
Wouldn't a micro fibre duster solve this potential issue (uhm)
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