Looks like Toyota can learn something from Jeep. I'm left with doing some custom power mods in my GX.
Help Me Decide: CX-5 vs. CR-V
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Looks like Toyota can learn something from Jeep. I'm left with doing some custom power mods in my GX.
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I had 110's up front for laptop use, and out back for whatever you wanted in the tail-gate/hatch area.
Chris_Top_Her
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- '15 CX-5 Miata AWD
The TRD supercharger?
7eregrine
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**** Jeep. I am intimately familiar with the CX-5 competing Jeep Cherokee. Its parked in my driveway right now It sucks. The CX-5 is a far better car. So glad I didn't buy the Cherokee. Wife agrees with me.
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Oh no..electrical stuff. You'd have to go real custom for performance mods on the Toyota 4.6L. All kinds of options for the 5.7L though.
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I know Jeep owners who have the same thing to say about the CX5. Feels like a tin can and has the amenities of your first college apartment, in comparison. No balls either, with only 184hp. But really, I was talking about my JGC. I would have bought the equivalent if Mazda made it, and no, I don't consider the CX9 the equivalent. It's still a car.
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boandlkramer
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My coworker has a new Cherokee. It hasn't been a year and it's been in the shop several times. He's already selling it.
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Yep. Jeep makes hands down the nicest ride on the road in their class, for their price. They just break too damn much.
boandlkramer
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This sucka though...love it
But to get back on topic, I looked at a CRV at the Military Auto Sales lot. It's nice, it really is, but I think it all comes down to personal preference. The rest is just people cheerleading for their brand.
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7eregrine
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Of course you do. I totally believe you.
The Grand Cherokee is very nice. Still crippled with that gawdawful uConnect Infotainment, though. *Shudder*
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NelsonLewis
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Lol. Toyota Racing Development is miles ahead of Jeep...
It is nice that TRD make some performance bolt-ons also covered under powertrain warranty. Sadly... they leave the 4.6L out of the equation... of course this makes the 4.6L about as bulletproof as an engine gets. It's hardly taxed for it's size though... only putting out 301 HP / 329 lb-ft in the GX on premium fuel. Oddly the same motor tuned for the Tundra puts out 310 HP / 327 lb-ft and runs on regular unleaded.
To each his own. We have the 3rd gen Uconnect 8.4 system in our Pacifica minivan. It's not the best system on the market, but it's usable enough. My only big complaints are 1) no Android Auto, and 2) sluggish response when using touch gestures to pan and zoom the map. But from a usability perspective I think it is a lot better than the Mazda system that I sampled on a couple test drives of the 2016/2017 CX-9. The current Mazda system reminds me way too much of BMW's iDrive (a shameless rip-off actually). I've had ~1500 miles of driving experience with BMW's iDrive system in rental cars and I do not like it. It's clunky and takes too much attention away from driving.
Infotainment is one area in which the current auto industry is upside-down. The mainstream brands have it all over the luxury brands because they embraced a straightforward tablet interface. Luxury brands keep trying to re-invent the wheel to create a human-machine interface that's different, to give themselves something that's brand-unique. Around fifteen years ago, when it first hit the market, I could understand the novelty of iDrive. But then the smart phone and tablet happened.
7eregrine
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Meh. Making YT videos is not my forte. Made a few. They aren't good.
The Infotainment on the Jeep is too busy, too big, too far from a tall driver who likes the seats all the way back. The built in remote start that Unobtainium thinks is better...is not. My aftermarket one is better. With the Jeep you start the car remotely. Great. But then you need the fob again to unlock the door to get in. Then you need to insert the key in the dash to move the shifter. With my separate remote I start the car, put the key in my pocket and done. Yea, I have to push the start button? Much rather do that then to keep futzing with keys.
Believe me, I don't hate the Jeep. I was very close to buying one. Very. But the Mazda is better imo. Especially now that the 17 has the features the Jeep had over the 16. (reclining rear seats, heated steering wheel, rear vents).
Now the Trailhawk rated Cherokee probably edges out the CX-5...but it also tops out at 37k.
Indeed, to each his own but I bet if you used the Mazda Commander Knob system for a month, you'd be a big fan.
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The Infotainment on the Jeep is too busy, too big, too far from a tall driver who likes the seats all the way back. The built in remote start that Unobtainium thinks is better...is not. My aftermarket one is better. With the Jeep you start the car remotely. Great. But then you need the fob again to unlock the door to get in. Then you need to insert the key in the dash to move the shifter. With my separate remote I start the car, put the key in my pocket and done. Yea, I have to push the start button? Much rather do that then to keep futzing with keys.
Believe me, I don't hate the Jeep. I was very close to buying one. Very. But the Mazda is better imo. Especially now that the 17 has the features the Jeep had over the 16. (reclining rear seats, heated steering wheel, rear vents).
Now the Trailhawk rated Cherokee probably edges out the CX-5...but it also tops out at 37k.
Indeed, to each his own but I bet if you used the Mazda Commander Knob system for a month, you'd be a big fan.
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Futzing with keys? You must have seen the base trim then. I don't think I've seen a current generation Cherokee with keys, but I've only been in mid-upper trim models. They had your typical keyless entry and pushbutton start, plus a remote start button the key fob.
While it's true that the Cherokee gets expensive in the top trims, they are also heavily discounted. With current incentives, you can find Cherokees at 20% off MSRP. I could buy a 4cyl AWD Limited with the luxury, safety, tech, and nav options for about $30k. Add about $2k for the V6. You can have a loaded Overland for around $35k, and that is closer to luxury class than Mazda offers. I don't need its off-road ability and I generally don't like SUVs, so the Cherokee is not on my list. But they sell a ton of them here in New England and it's obvious why people like them, despite the poor reliability.
Although I only used the CX-9's Commander Knob system briefly, it seemed to work the same as the BMW, which I've had a few weeks of driving experience with. The only thing I liked about it was scrolling through long lists, e.g. selecting music. For everything else, a good touch interface is much better IMO. BMW came up with this system somewhere around 15 years ago, before smart phones and tablets, and it seems incredibly kludgy and dated now, like using a 1980s joystick and a paddle to control an iPad. The one saving grace of the Mazda system compared to the BMW is that is has a touch screen, so you're not stuck using the commander knob for things it sucks at, like text entry.
But the world's dumbest example of infotainment interface engineering has to be Audi, who added a touch interface but maddeningly it's not the screen. On most models you have a touch pad taking up real estate on the center console and its only real purpose is to allow you to draw letters with your finger to enter text via handwriting recognition. That's something you can only do while stopped, so what is the rationale for not giving people an on-screen touch keyboard? Entering text via the handwriting recognition is no faster than the old Audi method of selecting letters using the knob, and it's definitely not easier, so I don't know who thought this was a good idea.
While it's true that the Cherokee gets expensive in the top trims, they are also heavily discounted. With current incentives, you can find Cherokees at 20% off MSRP. I could buy a 4cyl AWD Limited with the luxury, safety, tech, and nav options for about $30k. Add about $2k for the V6. You can have a loaded Overland for around $35k, and that is closer to luxury class than Mazda offers. I don't need its off-road ability and I generally don't like SUVs, so the Cherokee is not on my list. But they sell a ton of them here in New England and it's obvious why people like them, despite the poor reliability.
Although I only used the CX-9's Commander Knob system briefly, it seemed to work the same as the BMW, which I've had a few weeks of driving experience with. The only thing I liked about it was scrolling through long lists, e.g. selecting music. For everything else, a good touch interface is much better IMO. BMW came up with this system somewhere around 15 years ago, before smart phones and tablets, and it seems incredibly kludgy and dated now, like using a 1980s joystick and a paddle to control an iPad. The one saving grace of the Mazda system compared to the BMW is that is has a touch screen, so you're not stuck using the commander knob for things it sucks at, like text entry.
But the world's dumbest example of infotainment interface engineering has to be Audi, who added a touch interface but maddeningly it's not the screen. On most models you have a touch pad taking up real estate on the center console and its only real purpose is to allow you to draw letters with your finger to enter text via handwriting recognition. That's something you can only do while stopped, so what is the rationale for not giving people an on-screen touch keyboard? Entering text via the handwriting recognition is no faster than the old Audi method of selecting letters using the knob, and it's definitely not easier, so I don't know who thought this was a good idea.
Best thing about Jeep or any Chrysler product is you get 3 transmissions. Two by Jeep / Chrysler and third one you need to put in before 100K miles.
Its like 3 new cars for the price of one.
Besides the new 200 is selling for 12K - buy it and sell tranny / engine on eBay seperate - you bet someone will be buying it off of you in 2 weeks times. Lelolel.
Its like 3 new cars for the price of one.
Besides the new 200 is selling for 12K - buy it and sell tranny / engine on eBay seperate - you bet someone will be buying it off of you in 2 weeks times. Lelolel.
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This thread has gone far afield. Anyways, FWIW, in my digging, I'm pretty far into the weeds at this point, I noticed a couple of things, which are probably obvious to you all.
The Honda CR-V holds it's value substantially better. Comparing my Touring to a roughly comparable CR-V the CR-V is roughly $2K better according to KBB.
Honda, seems, hard to know because it's all automated, to require a rear differential fluid change at around 15K for the AWD and my guess is every 30K, hopefully more, after that. The CX-5, unless you do a lot of pulling of trailers, seemingly is good forever.
AWD holds it's value remarkably well adding more than 50% of it's original cost to the resale, closer to 70% if the car is only a couple of years old.
Navigation systems on the other hand add substantially less to the resale value of a car. Essentially that $1K will be worth a couple of hundred dollars in 5 years at resale.
The Honda CR-V holds it's value substantially better. Comparing my Touring to a roughly comparable CR-V the CR-V is roughly $2K better according to KBB.
Honda, seems, hard to know because it's all automated, to require a rear differential fluid change at around 15K for the AWD and my guess is every 30K, hopefully more, after that. The CX-5, unless you do a lot of pulling of trailers, seemingly is good forever.
AWD holds it's value remarkably well adding more than 50% of it's original cost to the resale, closer to 70% if the car is only a couple of years old.
Navigation systems on the other hand add substantially less to the resale value of a car. Essentially that $1K will be worth a couple of hundred dollars in 5 years at resale.
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