Help issues with MAF Relocation.

[dirtysouth_msp]

Lol well first thanks for the pwning lesson(homework) I was thinking it was a vacuum leak early on in the thread, but I have been over and over my vacuum lines spraying them with intake cleaner and zip tying away at them....but no beneficial result has yet to occur. I mean I will go through and replace all the t-connectors I have to make sure somehow they arent cracked. I checked the wastegate and had the wastegate checked....that seemed to be good. I made sure all the hose clamps on couplers and hoses was tight. Where after the TB was your leak? I will start from there again and work my way around the engine again. Thanks for the input.

P0171 is usually attributed to a vac leak of some sort. That diag procedure was just for P0031. EGR is attached to the Intake manifold, so that could very well be leaking. Intake manifold could be leaking. Any vac line or anything connected to a vac line could be leaking. That is all considered as "after the TB" because the vac lines are all tied into the Intake Manifold. Really any leak after the MAF can cause that P0171 code. An exhaust leak at the manifold can also make the 02 read lean.

I see you have the hiboost kit. I have the same kit and I found a crazy leak coming right out of the side of one of the cast aluminum pipes. It was a flaw in the casting of the main cold-side charge pipe. I used a smoke machine and saw smoke coming from directly underneath the BPV. I took the pipe off, plugged the ends, tested it again with the smoke machine and sure enough the was smoke coming right out of the aluminum. I never would have found it without the smoke machine. If I were you, I'd find a shop that has a smoke machine and have them test the vac side of things. Try to find one that will let you watch the test. You may be suprised what you find. You could buy a smoke machine but I think that they are several hundred $$$ and you need an air compressor to make it work so they are more suited in a shop, unless you have a bad-ass garage, lol.

 

[Velocifero]

P0171 is usually attributed to a vac leak of some sort. That diag procedure was just for P0031. EGR is attached to the Intake manifold, so that could very well be leaking. Intake manifold could be leaking. Any vac line or anything connected to a vac line could be leaking. That is all considered as "after the TB" because the vac lines are all tied into the Intake Manifold. Really any leak after the MAF can cause that P0171 code. An exhaust leak at the manifold can also make the 02 read lean.

I see you have the hiboost kit. I have the same kit and I found a crazy leak coming right out of the side of one of the cast aluminum pipes. It was a flaw in the casting of the main cold-side charge pipe. I used a smoke machine and saw smoke coming from directly underneath the BPV. I took the pipe off, plugged the ends, tested it again with the smoke machine and sure enough the was smoke coming right out of the aluminum. I never would have found it without the smoke machine. If I were you, I'd find a shop that has a smoke machine and have them test the vac side of things. Try to find one that will let you watch the test. You may be suprised what you find. You could buy a smoke machine but I think that they are several hundred $$$ and you need an air compressor to make it work so they are more suited in a shop, unless you have a bad-ass garage, lol.

I have the compressor just no garage. lol

 

[dirtysouth_msp]

I have the compressor just no garage. lol

That would work too, lol. Smoke machines are a must for our shop because we are an Emissions testing and repair facility. The smoke machine helps alot for emissions repairs because it can be used to track down evap leaks as well as vac/boost and exhaust. The thing is essential when working on a turbo car because the ol' carb or throttle body cleaner trick does not al ways work so well. With the smoke machine, when you find a leak there is no question or doubt.

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

is it maybe the adjustment screw on the BOV being too lose? i dunno if its been brought up already...im too lazy to read it all

 

[Velocifero]

is it maybe the adjustment screw on the BOV being too lose? i dunno if its been brought up already...im too lazy to read it all

dude you are so late to the party

 

[25FConv]

P0171 is usually attributed to a vac leak of some sort. That diag procedure was just for P0031. EGR is attached to the Intake manifold, so that could very well be leaking. Intake manifold could be leaking. Any vac line or anything connected to a vac line could be leaking. That is all considered as "after the TB" because the vac lines are all tied into the Intake Manifold. Really any leak after the MAF can cause that P0171 code. An exhaust leak at the manifold can also make the 02 read lean.

I see you have the hiboost kit. I have the same kit and I found a crazy leak coming right out of the side of one of the cast aluminum pipes. It was a flaw in the casting of the main cold-side charge pipe. I used a smoke machine and saw smoke coming from directly underneath the BPV. I took the pipe off, plugged the ends, tested it again with the smoke machine and sure enough the was smoke coming right out of the aluminum. I never would have found it without the smoke machine. If I were you, I'd find a shop that has a smoke machine and have them test the vac side of things. Try to find one that will let you watch the test. You may be suprised what you find. You could buy a smoke machine but I think that they are several hundred $$$ and you need an air compressor to make it work so they are more suited in a shop, unless you have a bad-ass garage, lol.

Alright I have gone through the engine again for the umteenth time. EGR pipe is tight no leak as per the air intake cleaner.......i need to get to a garage with a smoke machine to really test the intercooler piping if that is the issue.

I did notice that it looks like a few of the lines are dry. so maybe there is a crack on the dried rubber lines. I will be getting a hold of some silicone lines to replace the vacuum lines with....if anybody knows where I can get some red ones or black ones.....pm me.

Man this is uber frustrating.(braindead but I am in too deep to give up now.

I was talking with witchdoktor, and I put the MAF back on the CAI to see if anything would change.....but I got the original CEL saying I was running too rich again. I switched it again for s**** and giggles back to the IC piping.....lol crossing my fingers thinking maybe the CEL was saying job well done(boom01) but alas, good ole Bank 1 Sensor 1 too lean. I am hoping its a dried rubber line somewhere. But a few people have me thinking it may just be the ECU now.........

(peep)Going back to the engine now to enjoy the rest of my night.
(nailbyt)

 

[25FConv]

is it maybe the adjustment screw on the BOV being too lose? i dunno if its been brought up already...im too lazy to read it all

Yeh the BOV Screw was mentioned b4. tried it but it wasnt the issue being caused.

 

[Witchdoktor]

do you have a wb02? is the car running lean outside of idle, more importantly in boost? I tried to relocate my maf and I came to the conclusion my car is possessed. two other boosted 1.6ers relocated their mafs with no problems and when I tried it never worked out.


speedcircuit carries nice silicon hoses

 

[25FConv]

do you have a wb02? is the car running lean outside of idle, more importantly in boost? I tried to relocate my maf and I came to the conclusion my car is possessed. two other boosted 1.6ers relocated their mafs with no problems and when I tried it never worked out.


speedcircuit carries nice silicon hoses

The car is only running lean in idle. I am coming to the same conclusion my car is possessed. lol Since I have swapped the motor for the car. I have had nothing but headaches.

Good Look on the plug for speed circuit silicon hosing

 

[Velocifero]

do you have a wb02? is the car running lean outside of idle, more importantly in boost? I tried to relocate my maf and I came to the conclusion my car is possessed. two other boosted 1.6ers relocated their mafs with no problems and when I tried it never worked out.


speedcircuit carries nice silicon hoses

siliconeintakes.com ftw

 

[25FConv]

So I got a hold of some red silicone lines today and I started switching out the lines one by one........I even took off the t- connectors and hooked up a silicone piece of hose to one part of the T and blocked off the other 2 holes on the T....I found one that had a hair line crack where all the pipes meet. So I replaced that thinking I finally found the leak......(braindead OF COURSE NOT!!! Why would it be that easy. I ran out of silicone hosing, so I just have to replace the line from the BOV, the WGA line and the line going from the Intake Manifold going to the line connecting to the T to the WGA.

Also, I noticed to day I would pump the brakes and I would actually cause the rpms to drop like it would with crazy idle.....so I am thinking now that my brake booster line has a crack somewhere. Or even the brass T that I put in to recirculate when I was recirculating my BOV maybe the rubber cap I put on has a leak somewhere. I am going to replace that line tomorrow.

This weekend I will hopefully be able to see whats going on with the P0031 CEL code. Anybody know anyone in Hampton Roads, Virginia that has a good computer to test this car out with?

 

[supa saiyan pr5]

any updates on the car???


Jeremy

 

[25FConv]

Nah no updates yet. Today day is mother's day and my 3 year wedding anniversary. I will be posting tomorrow afternoon. Thanks for the concern. If anybody knows anything that can help please post I will be working on this all day tomorrow. Thanks.

Manny

any updates on the car???


Jeremy

 

[25FConv]

Brake Booster Hose wasnt it.

So I replaced the brake booster hose on my car with silicone hosing.....Once more, not the problem......Question, could another issues be my cat converter?(uhm) I know when it had the CEL for running rich a menchanic said that it could be the O2 Sensor or the Cat Converter. Now its saying it is too lean. I mean the O2 Sensor is brand new from (miltont) on the forum....However, b4 I put in the new O2 Sensor P0031 never showed up......Does this mean the O2 sensor I got was shot?(uhm) Its not the WGA.....I have Replaced 90% of the Hoses with silicone hoses. I just need to get a hold of someone in Hampton Roads with a really good computer. I have someone in NJ that can do it for me. But I dont know if I wanna risk running too lean and driving that all the way up to NJ....

Lol I am starting to thing its not meant to be for me to figure out the ongoing issue with this. Back to the car to replace the vacuum hose from the WGA and the Bypass Valve.

 

[25FConv]

So All the lines are officially replaced. and nothing. throttle response is a lil better rpms idle a little higher but I still get the crazy idle every now and then.(headshake so for s**** and giggles(dunno) till i get my car on a good computer. I am going to try that spark plug non-fouler method just to see what happens.....I mean right now I am literally (deadhorse so I will see what happens I know i need to drive and kill about a whole tank of gas for it to get used to it. So Here goes nothing for s**** and giggles.(freak)

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

non foulers ftw

 

[Matthew1785]

25F you jinxed me, I am now throwing codes P0171 and P0133, replaced the prim 02 sensor and its still throwing the codes, checked the MAF its clean if you go any ideas let me know, my vac is holding at 20 inches, idle is not sportic either.

this saturday were going to attempt to switch the 02 sensor with a OEM 02 sensor and see if that solves the issue, if it doesn't I'm going back sock and selling the kit. I'm tired of dealing with this

 

[evilmonkeyMSP]

it would be beneficial for you to go spend $3 on the non fouler also and give that a whirl

 

[25FConv]

LOL Matthew, my fault. Apparently its the curse. I am growing weary of all this too. I am gonna be putting on the non foulers in a little while I am just waiting for my drill to charge up so I can drill through on of the non foulers. I will hook it up and let you know how it goes. cross your fingers. hopefully this will help with the codes.....atleast P0171. I am hoping so, I was researchin the non foulers, apparently everyone so far has said great things of them.

25F you jinxed me, I am now throwing codes P0171 and P0133, replaced the prim 02 sensor and its still throwing the codes, checked the MAF its clean if you go any ideas let me know, my vac is holding at 20 inches, idle is not sportic either.

this saturday were going to attempt to switch the 02 sensor with a OEM 02 sensor and see if that solves the issue, if it doesn't I'm going back sock and selling the kit. I'm tired of dealing with this

 

[25FConv]

But yes samething with mine I am using am OEM O2, but when I put it in it popped up the P0031.....So if that dont work I am just gonna get a Bosch O2 and splice the wires and soder them and cover it in heat shrink wrap......providing that its not the harness itself that may be messed up. Hopefully its not the "trail of tears, that leads to a new ECU"

25F you jinxed me, I am now throwing codes P0171 and P0133, replaced the prim 02 sensor and its still throwing the codes, checked the MAF its clean if you go any ideas let me know, my vac is holding at 20 inches, idle is not sportic either.

this saturday were going to attempt to switch the 02 sensor with a OEM 02 sensor and see if that solves the issue, if it doesn't I'm going back sock and selling the kit. I'm tired of dealing with this