Hands Down...Which ECU Mod is BEST???

[killerMS3]

too bad if i do this my ecu modding will end up being like 2k dollars... i think by marrying these two tho, you get the best of both worlds. the standback will be far superior in logging and what not, and the AP is better at tuning stuff...

 

[AzMz3]

There are other options for datalogging that are better then the standback.
IMO I don't seeany reason to have the standback on the car with the AP flash.

Most of the time adaptive learning can be turned off with certain flash tools. I don't see the need for to do so with the AP.

I don't see getting a better tune from the standback than the AP.

 

[palerider]

There are other options for datalogging that are better then the standback.
IMO I don't seeany reason to have the standback on the car with the AP flash.

Most of the time adaptive learning can be turned off with certain flash tools. I don't see the need for to do so with the AP.

I don't see getting a better tune from the standback than the AP.

There have not even been projected dates for the tuning solution being available on the Cobb. There will be a flash for a few mods and thats it for a while.

Its highly likely that cars on this board will get the flash and immediately have issues that need to be worked out. The CPE clearly is the only other legitimate option as flawed as it may be.

You will see loads of guys maintain their standback after they get the "flash". Cobb isnt releasing Kpro here. Its no better than a hondata reflash at this point. Until there is the ability to actually tune with it.... the Cobb will be virtually useless on my car. As useless as the stock ECU anyway. I'll work with it.

 

[jp4130]

Has anyone seen the major update from cobb?

 

[AzMz3]

There have not even been projected dates for the tuning solution being available on the Cobb. There will be a flash for a few mods and thats it for a while.

Its highly likely that cars on this board will get the flash and immediately have issues that need to be worked out. The CPE clearly is the only other legitimate option as flawed as it may be.

You will see loads of guys maintain their standback after they get the "flash". Cobb isnt releasing Kpro here. Its no better than a hondata reflash at this point. Until there is the ability to actually tune with it.... the Cobb will be virtually useless on my car. As useless as the stock ECU anyway. I'll work with it.

CPE standback being said as legitimate is what I don't see.
IMO I think anyone would be better off with just the AP than the standback.
But stating it will be useless is alot of speculation at this point.
Only mods I see that might be an issue is the fuel pump which I still don't understand why anyone would get that and haven't touch tuning even with the standback which some have/had!

 

[Speedy3]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is an AP?

 

[SpdFreak]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is an AP?

It's called the COBB AP. It's a flash tuner device.

 

[laloosh]

CPE standback being said as legitimate is what I don't see.
IMO I think anyone would be better off with just the AP than the standback.
But stating it will be useless is alot of speculation at this point.
Only mods I see that might be an issue is the fuel pump which I still don't understand why anyone would get that and haven't touch tuning even with the standback which some have/had!

because the stock ecu controls the pump good enough. Car needs more fuel, ece tellst he aftermarket pump it needs more fuel, pump doesnt quit like the stock one.

 

[jp4130]

Cobb is realeased details on their stage 2 setups. They must to have enough fuel for a front mount turboback and intake. I don't think that pump will do you any good with the ap till you can use the access tuner. I wonder if they found a way to tune the issues with fuel out the system? Thier stage 2 would need a cdfp upgrade if the speculation about the stock cdfp limits are true. I bet that pump won't be needed till people start upgrading turbos.
It will be really funny if the pump is sufficient with a proper tune vs. all this tricking the ecu junk.

 

[palerider]

CPE standback being said as legitimate is what I don't see.
IMO I think anyone would be better off with just the AP than the standback.
But stating it will be useless is alot of speculation at this point.
Only mods I see that might be an issue is the fuel pump which I still don't understand why anyone would get that and haven't touch tuning even with the standback which some have/had!

I dont care if the CPE is the single most POS tuning, piggyback piece if junk.... it does give you a tool. As lousy as it may be, it is a tool.

The Cobb is NOT a tuning device. Its a chip flash period, for now. Until the streettuner, racetuner, etc is released.... you wont even be able to up boost beyond what they decide.

Why in the hell would guys with the standback take it off if they get a flash? Name one reason. There is none. I definitely want to go bigger turbo soon... what about water/meth.... people will still want SOMETHING. Even if it is flawed... it IS legitimate. So is the Xede. Cars all over the world use piggybacks for nice numbers. Dont try to reinvent the wheel by saying their junk, or not "legitimate", worthless. They do what they do and they dont do what they dont do.

And the simple little flash from Cobb is going to leave alot of guys wanting.... even if it is a wonderful mod. I cant wait to get it in my car.... I when I flash it into my OBDII port, the last thing that will be on my mind is to take the standback out.

 

[desperado-c]

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is an AP?

AccessPORT. Use the web, my son, for it contains many answers:

www.cobbtuning.com

 

[killerMS3]

I dont care if the CPE is the single most POS tuning, piggyback piece if junk.... it does give you a tool. As lousy as it may be, it is a tool.

The Cobb is NOT a tuning device. Its a chip flash period, for now. Until the streettuner, racetuner, etc is released.... you wont even be able to up boost beyond what they decide.

Why in the hell would guys with the standback take it off if they get a flash? Name one reason. There is none. I definitely want to go bigger turbo soon... what about water/meth.... people will still want SOMETHING. Even if it is flawed... it IS legitimate. So is the Xede. Cars all over the world use piggybacks for nice numbers. Dont try to reinvent the wheel by saying their junk, or not "legitimate", worthless. They do what they do and they dont do what they dont do.

And the simple little flash from Cobb is going to leave alot of guys wanting.... even if it is a wonderful mod. I cant wait to get it in my car.... I when I flash it into my OBDII port, the last thing that will be on my mind is to take the standback out.

i'd have to agree with you here.... even if\when i get AP, my standback will not come out. i still see a lot of use with it, and in fact it is and will be the better logging device. the AP doesn't have the power that the standback does, and i know CP-E is coming out with stuff in the near future (right around when AP comes out) that will make that much better. i'm also going to use the standback to control water meth among other things... so i don't think the standback is junk like some other people are saying... i still find it to be a tool worth having.

 

[Haltech]

There's other logging devices available people. The Standback doesnt give you full control of your tuning. There may be even microcoding on Cobbs part to block you from editiing the settings using the standback unit. If you still want to use it, so be it, but you might as well dump it as fast as you can before you cant even sell the damn thing.

 

[palerider]

There's other logging devices available people. The Standback doesnt give you full control of your tuning. There may be even microcoding on Cobbs part to block you from editiing the settings using the standback unit. If you still want to use it, so be it, but you might as well dump it as fast as you can before you cant even sell the damn thing.

Haltech.... you are a respected poster on this board. I enjoy your posts, but what you just said is ridiculous. Your suggesting that the Cobb may have "microcoding"?

My response is WTF... if it were even possible, then why wouldnt OEM ecus like Mazdas with millions of dollars in potential warranty claims include it. Ive heard the new GT-Rs will have unbreakable ecus with probably millions invested to make it that way. Why in the hell would Cobb who is struggling to get a simple basic bolton flash, which still isnt even done, waste time and money building in "safegaurds" so tuners cant alter their unit with a piggyback. Its ludicrous to even suggest it. Think of the outrage that guys like me and others would have. Think of the fact that they would be COSTING themselves more money by limiting the use of their AP needlessly. Think of the whole concept of a respected TUNER blocking others from tuning and spending precious money, resources, and time to figure out how to do it.

I am not a huge fan of the CPE..... quite frankly Id rather of had the Xede. But it was going nowhere. The fact remains that the highest HP MS6s and MS3's in the country are using the product as is.... in its developmental stage. And you are comparing it to a product that hasnt even been released yet.

I cant believe how much drool is being dripped, over a product that hasnt been released, and cannot be tuned....soon or maybe ever. Cobb has had doubletalk on this thing since the beginning. I even read how they said that control over the throttle isnt really even necessary.... although they "have that control". Sounds like a setup for disappointment to me. And no release dates if ever, for us to go pay one ballsack, for a tuner to "flash" our cars each time we add a mod.

The CPE version 2 will be available to all CPE standback owners. Im of the opinion that all big horsepower cars by this time next year will have some version of it running on their build. They probably will have the Cobb flash as well. We'll have to see what that flash looks like first.

 

[jp4130]

Good things come to those who wait.
Just like anything, do it right the first time.
Quality takes time.
The piggy backs that were rushed to market are horrible.
I am not saying piggybacks are all bad, just the ones that have been
made for these cars.
Judging by how much power cobb RELIABLY gets out of STi's,
we will not be dissapointed. You should patienly wait till the sreettuner
setup comes out, Then tune it properly to it's full potential.
Your parts plus a proper tuning solution will be very fast.

 

[Speedy3]

I'm pretty much sold on Cobb now. Late March, hopefully!

 

[Landjet]

Haltech,
Good post! That's a good explanation of the different approaches. Unfortunately, it looks to me like maybe the are having difficulty with the MS3 ECU, but if Cobb can overcome it, the AP will eventually be a great tool.

Here is my experience...

For a complete stand alone unit, you cannot beat the DFI. It is the preimo standard as a management system. However, this isnt an option for a daily driver. SO, that now goes out the window.

Agreed. I'm running a DFI Gen7+ with Pro Key & Wide Band O2 on my MR2 and it works really well. It's almost overwhelming how configurable it is. Of course, it would be major overkill for a DD vehicle.

 

[funkyman]

I believe that there is no proper fully p&p ECU solution available at this point in time.We are still waiting on it from CPE.They are the closest to it, so no mod is the best as we speak.CPE seems to be doing more research and are closer to the final product.The stock turbo is good for 22psi no need for a new turbo.Maybe fuel pump.

 

[jp4130]

so no mod is the best as we speak.

(iagree)

 

[speedi3]

Haltech.... you are a respected poster on this board. I enjoy your posts, but what you just said is ridiculous. Your suggesting that the Cobb may have "microcoding"?

My response is WTF... if it were even possible, then why wouldnt OEM ecus like Mazdas with millions of dollars in potential warranty claims include it. Ive heard the new GT-Rs will have unbreakable ecus with probably millions invested to make it that way. Why in the hell would Cobb who is struggling to get a simple basic bolton flash, which still isnt even done, waste time and money building in "safegaurds" so tuners cant alter their unit with a piggyback. Its ludicrous to even suggest it. Think of the outrage that guys like me and others would have. Think of the fact that they would be COSTING themselves more money by limiting the use of their AP needlessly. Think of the whole concept of a respected TUNER blocking others from tuning and spending precious money, resources, and time to figure out how to do it.

I am not a huge fan of the CPE..... quite frankly Id rather of had the Xede. But it was going nowhere. The fact remains that the highest HP MS6s and MS3's in the country are using the product as is.... in its developmental stage. And you are comparing it to a product that hasnt even been released yet.

I cant believe how much drool is being dripped, over a product that hasnt been released, and cannot be tuned....soon or maybe ever. Cobb has had doubletalk on this thing since the beginning. I even read how they said that control over the throttle isnt really even necessary.... although they "have that control". Sounds like a setup for disappointment to me. And no release dates if ever, for us to go pay one ballsack, for a tuner to "flash" our cars each time we add a mod.

The CPE version 2 will be available to all CPE standback owners. Im of the opinion that all big horsepower cars by this time next year will have some version of it running on their build. They probably will have the Cobb flash as well. We'll have to see what that flash looks like first.

Knowledge, you still selling? I'm still buying.