Haltech E6X vs MPI Tuner - Help Choose

[MPNick]

If you look at the MSP 1/4 mles times you will see Dean M. The fastest MSP on this forum. He as my MPI Tuner, dual injector in front of the throttle body and our 80mm MAF.


Who is the fastest? I want to know, also what are his times?

If all goes well Dean will be a our dyno day on the 12th and at Street Wars on the 13th. We are hoping to make around 270 to 280 at the wheels. The very next day we are hoping to run a very low 13. I know the other fast MSP is right up the road from where we will be but it looks like he will not show up to strut his stuff, how come?


Thanks again

Later........Nick

 

[orangezoom]

So there is no dyno as of yet?

Just asking. 270 is a lot of HP

 

[MPNick]

So there is no dyno as of yet?

Just asking. 270 is a lot of HP

I did not claim to make anything yet. We are having an open dyno day on June 12th and then some of the people are going to the track the next day to take part in Street Wars.

After we dyno we will post all of the Protege runs. We will post the dyno files also. This way people will be able to try the runs with the other standards.
It is an open dyno day anyone is welcome to show up. We would love to see a Haltech Protege show up and dyno.

We built a sound short block, a mild port and polish and a good FMIC. I hope that 270 whp can come in at 18psi. I may be way off but I know we did not have anywhere that much when we run the 13.7.

Thanks again


Later.........Nick

 

[HiBoost TS]

I missed this thread until today. I guess the best way to show that a product works is the "no news is good news" slang.

All our turbo kits come with the Haltech F10 system that controls only fuel. More than 30 turbo kits have been sold in less than a year. If everybody had problems, this forum would be full of complaints about it. All guys are making from 200 to 240 whp on stock internals without any engine failure or any major issues(Except YP5 Toronto whose car was overeved at the dyno).

I am 100% behind Haltech products because I have used them for years and everytime they keep getting better and better. There is a new F10X fuel management with more options, windows software and faster processor that replaced the F10. Now the E6X has windows software also and 3 dimensional mapping.

Our car is making close to 300WHP with E6X and a project Mazdaspeed is getting the E6X with a FMIC and Disco Potato Turbo GT28RS to boost 14 psi on stock internals. Then, Pauter rods and more boost. It is going to be fun at the 1/4 mile to run the Mazdaspeed with all these mods.
Juan

 

[BlueWolfCry]

instead of asking others what the facts are, mind you tell us WHY your product is so much better? you have said your product is better dozens of time, but im just curious..WHY is it better? (please with facts, not claims.)

I am not a salesman and I am not looking to make friends. Any of my customers will tell you that I am there for them when ever they need help. I do not see how someone can make a choice on a product if they do not have facts. If you do not like to hear about what one product wll do over the other then maybe the MPI Tuner is not for you. I do not blow smoke up anyones ass. I know what we can do with our MPI Tuner and I know about standalones and how they work with a modern car. I do not see anyone from Haltech here to talk about their product, yet we are told about how good the system is. I do not see another Protege turbo owner here talking about how great the system works, yet some feel it is great.

As for Flying Protege and Spool and their posting on this forum. It does not show anything. They both pushed their products when they had to and they both no longer sell they product for the Protege market. When you stop letting people talk about facts you will have problems. Look at other threads where vendors were not called out on their claims. Now you see people out thousands of dollars.

Thanks again


Later............Nick

 

[acidbug]

I will try to field this question.

1. Cost.
2. The ability to control both fuel & timing.
3. The ease of install & tuning using any computer that has windows.
4. Ability to datalog.
5. The ability to upgrade. Yes there are many different options with the mpi tuner. Such as EBC, Extra Injectors, Setting Rev Limiter, Removing Govener (i know protege's don't have it), etc.
6. Ability to add nitrous.
7. Can have 2 maps (daily & Race).
8. Ability to adjust for high altitudes, warm & cold weather.

Just to name a few.

Chas

 

[DooMer_MP3]

9) Ability to pass OBD-II emissions. You still have the stock ECU, and its still doing its thing, so the emissions station can still plug into your stock ECU and do its test.
10) Cold start is unchanged. The stock ECU has years of research and tuning in it. Easiest and best left to something that can already do it.

Chris

 

[InsidiousMSP]

At the end of the day, if you're out to make serious power with no limitations (in any car), you obviously buy a real standalone like a Haltech. If you think that is untrue and you're more concerned about OBDII testing, by all means by a piggyback like the MPI "Tuner." No doubt a friendlier toy to play around with.

 

[Atreyu]

Insidious hits it out of the park!

 

[CRDMS1]

OK, I'm positive I know what the MPI Tuner can do, but let me take a stab at a revised question:

What *important for power tuning* features does the Haltech have that the MPI Tuner does not?

Peace...(hippy)

 

[BlueWolfCry]

yeh thats what i meant lol

OK, I'm positive I know what the MPI Tuner can do, but let me take a stab at a revised question:

What *important for power tuning* features does the Haltech have that the MPI Tuner does not?

Peace...(hippy)

 

[BlueWolfCry]

thanks, but i thought haltech can also support nitrous and does haltech not also control fuel and timing? basically are these features all the features that surpass the haltech? thanks

I will try to field this question.

1. Cost.
2. The ability to control both fuel & timing.
3. The ease of install & tuning using any computer that has windows.
4. Ability to datalog.
5. The ability to upgrade. Yes there are many different options with the mpi tuner. Such as EBC, Extra Injectors, Setting Rev Limiter, Removing Govener (i know protege's don't have it), etc.
6. Ability to add nitrous.
7. Can have 2 maps (daily & Race).
8. Ability to adjust for high altitudes, warm & cold weather.

Just to name a few.

Chas

 

[turboge]

Nobody ever tells me about these things, lol.

For one, I don't believe I ever really "Marketed" the haltech or E-manage as a product. I based all of my research and development on bettering the offerings of EMS to the community. I started with a haltech E6K because I had a few laying around, and made it work with the MSP in a parrallel fashion. This meaning the stock ECU controlled what it needed to and I controlled Fuel/Ignition/Boost, completely independent of the stock ECU's mapping.

Through my r&d I developed a very fine tuned map for a mildly modified MSP witha 2 BAR map sensor. For azian6er's setup he wanted to run a 3 BAR map sensor so I did my best to convert my 2bar -> 3bar mapping (which is less sensitive) and this is where I believe the boost portion of his mapping is off.

With more time tuning on other cars in seperate climates, I could develop a great map for all starting conditions, boost levels and octane ratings. I stand behind the haltech because it is a proven product for me and a large majority of fellow tuners. I will gladly come and tune anyone's car that has one setup to show it's capabilities.

 

[TurfBurn]

I don't think there is (or at least there shouldn't be in my opinion) any issue over whether or not any of these units (MPI, Haltech, AEM, Microtech, etc) are good... as they all are. They wouldn't survive if they didn't do what they are supposed to do. The question is why get one over the other. I think to one extent or another they are all proven products, you'll be able to find someone who will swear by every one of them as the way to go.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

thanks, but i thought haltech can also support nitrous and does haltech not also control fuel and timing? basically are these features all the features that surpass the haltech? thanks

So what exactly are you getting at? The MPITuner does it, for a few hundred less. Thats where it surpasses it... cost, good software (although Haltech now has Windows software)... But whatever.

Chris

 

[jrodhotrod]

I don't think there is (or at least there shouldn't be in my opinion) any issue over whether or not any of these units (MPI, Haltech, AEM, Microtech, etc) are good... as they all are. They wouldn't survive if they didn't do what they are supposed to do. The question is why get one over the other. I think to one extent or another they are all proven products, you'll be able to find someone who will swear by every one of them as the way to go.

Great post...

That was the point of this thread for me. I was highly interested in the AEM piece but after the debacle which will go undiscussed in this thread because it is not the place for it, I don't see the AEM as an option for me.

I have come to realize that both the haltech and MPI are great products, but I made this thread because I was having trouble deciding what was going to be right for me.

It sounds like both units can pretty much do everything a person would need, just the way they accomplish that goal is different. Haltech uses larger injectors and a MAP while the MPI uses extra injectors and a bigger MAF.

 

[TurfBurn]

Well one advantage to a standalone is you don't have to fight with the stock ECE... but then the advantage to a piggy like the MPI is that you have the stock ECE helping out... So really, from my standpoint if you are after fuel and timing control then both of these units WILL do what you need, they'll do it differently from one another, they act in different ways, they both will have their weaknesses in one way or another, and it all depends on how you view things like cost and injector position and tricking versus setting and so forth as to which you want. I don't think you'll go wrong necessarily with either, which is again just my opinion. It's a very hard choice to make I think, obviously since the discussion will continue to rage back and forth for a long while. I've gotten exposure to both the MPI and the Microtech EMS and I'm of little help because given the do I buy this one or that one I'd be wringing my hands trying to choose. I guess it may come down to your future plans though too.. how many PSI do you plan to run in the end, how much money and effort do you want to spend?

This is definitely my opinion but I do think the MPI is "easier" for the user than a standalone. So if you are looking to do timing and fuel with moderate boost (I don't know what the "limit" of the MPI is... so I can't be very accurate in my statement regarding "future potential" with it) I think the MPI is better. If you are after full control of everything (coolant curves, timing based on temp, massive boost, auxillaries control etc) then maybe the standalone is better. But again... my opinion and when I say "better" I'm splitting hairs as I think the units out there are of that good of quality and there is no black and white decision here.. very much infinite shades of gray.

EDIT: I"m still definitely learning the ropes of the tuning game... so I'm far from having a full grip on what all is involved both ways. I'm learning and making progress and lucky enough to see different systems, but certainly don't know the ins and outs of all of it.

 

[orangezoom]

I just do not think that adding extra injectors is the correct wat to do it.

 

[TurfBurn]

I just do not think that adding extra injectors is the correct wat to do it.

I neither oppose nor support the statement, don't know enough to do so either way. So why do you think that though?

 

[orangezoom]

I mean you can get huge injectors now why do it this way?
Maybe I am wrong theyuse to do this when they had no other options.