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why don't you tune that thing and get more power out of it rather than doing half assed map clamps.
 
because it doesnt need a tune. Why don't u actually try t hings for ureself before reading bulls***.

The car hold 19psi and the a/f ratio is right btwn 11.5-11.8. Please explain to me what tunning i need. Im not gonna play with timing, so what else cna i possibly do?

on a side note, based on my dashawk results. Same stretch of road. AS you know the car went 12.90 @ 111 at a real track. After being "tuned" it went 12.89 @ 114.x (traction on) with a best trap of 116.x (traction off), this was via dashawk. Last night, same exact stretch of road, the car went 12.57 @ 115.8 (traction on) Only did one run. Im not saying this is what my car runs, im saying its a direct comparisson to before. Same car, same driver, same exact stretch of road, different mods, different traps and ets.
 
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sorry i didn't realize your car was far more superior than anyone elses and that it was perfect with mods and no tune. keep on keepin on. it would lead me to believe that your fuel pump is what helps keep the afr up closer to 12 cause i would say most see around 10:1 at WOT.
 
a pump that flows more fuel will not lean the car out. The reason for my a/f ratio is because i have full bolt ons pushing 19psi. I dont know why, but my car is faster than most speed3s. I raced 3 different ones and it wasnt even close, why? who knows. As craighjr we had the same exact mods, different companies, both had the standback at 17psi, using the same exact map and he him said my car pulls harder. The only difference was that i had the pump.

my car ran out of fuel after a simple i/tbe/bpv, it began to stutter. Once the pump was put on, the stuttering went away.
 
dadasracecar said:
Every cp-e pump will be flow tested over the entire rpm range. They will be leak down tested and tested for operational service at max flow for a specified time period (45 min @ max flow IIRC). They are assembled in a clean room and the internals are specially coated to prevent abrasion and improve operation. None of these things are done with the PG pumps.



THat's interesting. Why are you glad you waited?
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Thats total bulls***. You make it sound like Autotech is making pumps out of cookie dough in a betty crocker oven. Their getting the same type of testing done.

Bottom line is their pumps are very well respected in the Volkswagon world. Why are you slamming them? You dont know s***. The problems were that rookies were installing them in pumps. But there have been no mass failures like this in volkswagons....

Bottom line.... you are misleading this board by insinuating that CPE is going to be doing any testing. They are talking APRs word for it.... just the way Im choosing to take Autotechs.
 
Difference is that Autotek is shipping internals for others (PG/mrlilguy) to assemble. cp-e's pumps are assembled and tested by their supplier.
 
dadasracecar said:
How are you going ensure that there is no fuel leak-down when the pump is operating on your car? How are you going to verify the operation of the pump throughout its entire operating range? How are you going to verify the clearances when you don't have the measured efficiency data. How can you ensure reproducibility in flow rate from pump to pump? They do vary somewhat.

There's a reason why APR bought a $100,000 testing rig, and aren't just running the pump on a car for ten minutes. I would think that for an investment that big there was some reason behind it...
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there is a reason that autotech uses bosch's testing rig right down the street too. by the way, APR's testing rig cost $80,000, not $100,000. 1 of 3 in the nation. It's apparent that both products are great, both get the job at hand done. As said 1000x before, 1 is cheaper and flows more than the other. That 80,000$ test rig is why APR charges $1100 for their kit.

I'm sick of going in circles about this... (stfu)
 
so you are saying that if it was 50 degrees outside and you had the same exact set up it won't boost cut?
 
thats just where you stretched out your springs right? i did that on my speed6 and it seemed to relieve some stutter i had in 3rd gear, but i never hit fuel cut so i wouldn't know if it fixed that.
 
that is the only thing i can assume. at times you would think you could compare them being the same engines and what not but there has to be differences in other things.
 
mrlilguy157 said:
there is a reason that autotech uses bosch's testing rig right down the street too. by the way, APR's testing rig cost $80,000, not $100,000. 1 of 3 in the nation. It's apparent that both products are great, both get the job at hand done. As said 1000x before, 1 is cheaper and flows more than the other. That 80,000$ test rig is why APR charges $1100 for their kit.

I'm sick of going in circles about this... (stfu)
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Could you please show me the data that shows it flows more? I hear this over and over and no one has answered my question.
 
im running i/tbe/19psi/bcd/ turboxs hybrid (75/25) and dont get fuel cut, boost cut, dont run out of fuel, nothing.. Car pulls ******* great. Major difference now that i have the bov over teh stocker (that defintially leaks like a MOFO..) It actually suprised me last night (2nd day with it), I did a pull in 4th and it set me back in my seat pretty hard.. I dont know if it is as quick as your car was in your original PG pump video when you trapped 111, but I think it maybe. I have the same mods that you had and never experienced fuel issues.. Im going to try and replicate your videos and see if there is any difference. (mj)

Keep it up ;)
 
This thread is awesome. I love how chris puts up proof of his opinion. Seems like the only way you can get some one to believe you around here is to post vids and logs, etc, etc. Same s*** happened to me when I first started running 12s. I know what chris is saying becuase my car does the same s***.
 
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