Game On Again

[laloosh]

This thread is awesome. I love how chris puts up proof of his opinion. Seems like the only way you can get some one to believe you around here is to post vids and logs, etc, etc. Same s*** happened to me when I first started running 12s. I know what chris is saying becuase my car does the same s***.

thats ironic cause we run similar times, run the same exact set up, and are experiencing the same exact problems, or should i say were experiencing...spring mod ftw

 

[driver311]

thats ironic cause we run similar times, run the same exact set up, and are experiencing the same exact problems, or should i say were experiencing...spring mod ftw

OH hell YA!

 

[nypest]

I cant wait till my pump get here so i can install it and see how the car reacts and post up results, im running the AEXE TMIC/MSCAI/MSCBE/Forge BPV... I havent done the DP because of the FC issue. Ill run with the CDFP with the set up i have now and see what happends, then pick up a DP.

 

[JumpingJackson]

Heaven forbid a potential customer wants some proof that said pump upgrade is actually an upgrade.
Why should i buy your product?
Oh it flows more? show me?
If i threw my money at every "upgrade"/mod out there that people said was awesome id be poor and still have a bad car with all my "magnetic fuel filters" and octane boosters that raise my octane to by 0.1

So far i havent seen *any* data besides anecdotal evidence from biased people with an axe to grind for whatever reason.

 

[laloosh]

u actually bought that ic? My fuel cut came with my ic, not dp.

 

[SuperStretch18]

Thats total bulls***. You make it sound like Autotech is making pumps out of cookie dough in a betty crocker oven. Their getting the same type of testing done.

Bottom line is their pumps are very well respected in the Volkswagon world. Why are you slamming them? You dont know s***. The problems were that rookies were installing them in pumps. But there have been no mass failures like this in volkswagons....

Bottom line.... you are misleading this board by insinuating that CPE is going to be doing any testing. They are talking APRs word for it.... just the way Im choosing to take Autotechs.

IMO, the thing that makes the cpe version look like a better option is that they didn't rush to market with a product that failed for some users (sputtering & not flowing = fail). I realize it is spec'd to flows less and costs more and once everything is said and done, will probably not be an issue moving forward, but in my mind, that is hard to get over.

There is a whole anti-CPE movement going on now that I don't completely understand and don't really want to get into with anyone, so i'll just drop that nugget and step back...(kiss)

 

[nypest]

u actually bought that ic? My fuel cut came with my ic, not dp.

i sure did !!! hmmm i dont have FC running that IC ....prob because i dont have the DP though... ETS your running is a 3.5 the AEXE is 2.75

 

[laloosh]

Heaven forbid a potential customer wants some proof that said pump upgrade is actually an upgrade.
Why should i buy your product?
Oh it flows more? show me?
If i threw my money at every "upgrade"/mod out there that people said was awesome id be poor and still have a bad car with all my "magnetic fuel filters" and octane boosters that raise my octane to by 0.1

So far i havent seen *any* data besides anecdotal evidence from biased people with an axe to grind for whatever reason.

read my damn threads. You want proof...try 13.4 @ 106 vs 12.90 @ 111 with the addition of 1psi and a the fuel pump

 

[Jays07MS3]

Up, down, whatever. How can somone say it "IS" how the ECU controls the WG solenoid, then 2 seconds later state, "there is something else in the system that is limiting boost to 19psi..." "...it proves we really dont know..."

EXACTLY. If it "IS" how it works, why doesn't it? Why hasn't anyone miraculously stated that after a map clamp or atp bcd their boost magically went up? Takes the "IS" out of the equation no?

Don't know why the hostility but in any case I can say it because that IS how the ECU tries to controls it. That doesn't mean that there aren't other factors that can alter it. Obviously the upgraded IC increases boost as laloosh mentioned. But that doesn't change the fact that the ECU controls boost by altering the WG solenoid duty cycle. It just doesn't do a very good job at it

Loosh, and anyone else who performs intake/exhaust mods is increasing efficiency, thus resulting in a few psi of extra boost. The ECU allows very little additional boost (READ- boost cut) when simple bolt on's are installed. Once a map clamp or bcd is installed, the efficiency which was increased from the intake/exhaust mods to this system dont just disappear. The stock boost control system, etc, is designed to operate within set parameters. As you start changing the intake, intercooler, exhaust, etc, the system as a whole starts operating out of range (hence the boost cut). Eliminate the boost cut with a map clamp or bcd and the factory boost control system due to the increased efficiency of the mods will allow/generate a bit more boost. Pretty general. Why is 19psi seem to be what these mods will produce with the factory boost control system? Well, the boost cut is removed via the map clamp, efficiency of the turbosystem as a whole has increased. What more is there to talk about?

You can google and wiki as much as you'd like for technical jargon, but what I explained above is general common knowledge for the regular "guy."

Why are so many people into "why" loosh can boost 19 psi on the stock boost control system? Others have reported 19psi + with mods w/out a boost controller as well, its just that perhaps they didn't install a map clamp or bcd to help with boost cut at that time.

Why are so many people into the "Why"? Because its not fully understood. If tuners didn't ask these kind of questions and didn't pursue the answers then there would be a LOT less people modding their cars. The main reason why people damage engines is because they poorly understood what they were doing to their cars. It benefits the entire community when people try to understand how the car works and why it reacts to certain mods the way it does. People asking "why" is a good thing.

voltage clamps (or FCD's is what they used to be called in the old days) have been around for a LONG time. The general description explained here is nothing new, nor the reason why someone installed a map clamp to begin with.

The CPE standback has a built in adjustable clamp and it controls boost pressure. So what? Whats the difference of running a standback zero'd out, but utilizing it as a map clamp and boost control running 19psi vs. what Loosh or others have done with map clamps, with or without boost controls at 19psi? Nothing.

Well as you stated, there is a difference. One is running an external boost control and one isn't. I'm not trying to argue that the results aren't the same. I'm just trying to understand why they are the same. There really isn't any harm in that. I didn't mean to sound rude or pretentious in my post so I apologize if that is how it came out. As an engineer by profession, I have a strong desire to understand how any system works and how to alter it to achieve better results. I think we're all in the same boat on that one. We just have differing methods in doing so.

 

[laloosh]

i sure did !!! hmmm i dont have FC running that IC ....prob because i dont have the DP though

money bags, where in ny are u from, caue my house boarder ny state

 

[nypest]

money bags, where in ny are u from, caue my house boarder ny state

im in nassau county !!

 

[nypest]

Heaven forbid a potential customer wants some proof that said pump upgrade is actually an upgrade.
Why should i buy your product?
Oh it flows more? show me?
If i threw my money at every "upgrade"/mod out there that people said was awesome id be poor and still have a bad car with all my "magnetic fuel filters" and octane boosters that raise my octane to by 0.1

So far i havent seen *any* data besides anecdotal evidence from biased people with an axe to grind for whatever reason.

What kind of proof do you need other then these dudes running them..... Sure there was a set back at first, but the future looks bright and in a few weeks there should be tons of info including my feedback.....

 

[JumpingJackson]

Ok so the product "works" But is it an upgrade over the stock pump?

I can sell you a gee-wiz thingaro that makes your car feel faster! Ive tested it on my car and it works great!

 

[driver311]

Ok so the product "works" But is it an upgrade?

Ive gained quite a bit of fuel, especially in the topend.

 

[laloosh]

Ok so the product "works" But is it an upgrade over the stock pump?

I can sell you a gee-wiz thingaro that makes your car feel faster! Ive tested it on my car and it works great!

but ure forgetting that me or dirver or whoever else runs these pumps is not here to sell u them. We post our opinions and results, its up to you to buy it. Personally i couldnt care less if i buy it or not

 

[JumpingJackson]

read my damn threads. You want proof...try 13.4 @ 106 vs 12.90 @ 111 with the addition of 1psi and a the fuel pump

Your testing methodology is flawed, if your going to compare 2 things you have to keep all variables as close as possible, and change 1 thing. (the fuel pump)

You changed 2 things.

All I want is some actual testing done on the performance of the pump itself. I dont think its too much to ask before i fork over 400+ dollars

And Mrlilguy sure is trying to sell the pumps, thats mostly who this is directed towards. That and you people saying that it flows more than the CP-E pump when you have never even done a side-by-side comparison with it or stock pump.

Personally i think it would be a great selling tool to show your potential customers that your product is both A. cheaper and B. flows more.

 

[nypest]

Ok so the product "works" But is it a upgrade over the stock pump?

I can sell you a gee-wiz thingaro that makes your car feel faster! Ive tested it on my car and it works great!

Im not in the market for a gee wiz thingo thanks! lol Read the threads and info and make choice. Sometimes it means you strike gold, othere times you fall flat. These guys in the front are helping us all by trial and error, then have to defend all there hard work EVERY day. I have spoken with Ken and Jonathan about his pump and i feel confident it will help me in my goal with this car. I will be honest with my review!!

400+thats cheap im in to 800+ lmao

 

[driver311]

Your testing methodology is flawed, if your going to compare 2 things you have to keep all variables as close as possible, and change 1 thing. (the fuel pump)

You changed 2 things.

All I want is some actual testing done on the pump its self. I dont think its too much to ask before i fork over 400+ dollars

Ill be posting dyno results AS SOON AS I CAN! My car is still torn apart. Ill dyno my car with my setup and just for you ill throw the stock pump back on and show you the difference. ill post the dyno graph with afr readings. Will that help you?

 

[nypest]

Ill be posting dyno results AS SOON AS I CAN! My car is still torn apart. Ill dyno my car with my setup and just for you ill throw the stock pump back on and show you the difference. ill post the dyno graph with afr readings. Will that help you?

can i get fries with that driver?? lol

 

[JumpingJackson]

Ill be posting dyno results AS SOON AS I CAN! My car is still torn apart. Ill dyno my car with my setup and just for you ill throw the stock pump back on and show you the difference. ill post the dyno graph with afr readings. Will that help you?

Yes that would be wonderful! Mrlilguy should be paying you to market his product for him. LOL
Does the dashhawk read things like fuel pressure or injector duty cycle or pulse width? I have one on the way that i ordered from Autocom
I would imagine logging some of those fuel related variables would also provide some more insight on the differences between the various pumps. (mrlilguy,cpe,stock)