Full TBE / how safe?

[Listers]

a TBE alone, by all rights, should not blow the engine. there is a good chance your turbo is going to start smoking and burning up a little oil, a search of the forums will net you that information in spades.

that said, a dealer local to me warrantied a customer's turbo despite having a full TBE, a cobb stage 2 reflash, an intake, blow off valve and engine mount. it really depends on the dealership, how you treat them, etc.

hey Ken can you tell me which dealer this was?

 

[mrjoshyman]

i thin uppgraded tmic and testpipe is safer than tbe easy to remove if needed(dealer visits) removing dp for dealer visists good luck with that....

excellent point. you really need to consider where your priorities are.... if your goal is 300 whp then going from that to stock for dealer visits is likely gonna not even be worth it....

 

[nig3]

^ In theory a TBE is the safest, but maybe not for the MS3? Especially with the guarantee it will start smoking and burning up oil, and potentially ruin your turbo? I don't think it'd be worth the risk.

uuhhh WTF... a TBE will in no way make your car burn oil. it will allow you to see more oil smoke if theres a pre-exsisting problem, but will not ever make your turbo or engine burn oil. dont know who told you that but they are wrong. i can see it maybe smoking alittle more under WOT with no cats but thats normal.

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

Well funny how everyone's car seems to NOT smoke before any exhaust mods, then all of a sudden with DP, test pipe, TBE, etc. etc. all of a sudden the issue arises and all of a sudden they're fighting with the dealer to get the turbo covered.

All i'm saying is, it seems this car's turbo is not meant to have setups like that because anytime someone puts one on, they have smoke and then a replaced turbo. Too much drama involved I think.

 

[lestat13]

It's not that the turbo doesn't smoke before dp or TBE, it's that the cats eat up the smoke so you can't see it until you remoive them

 

[Speed3Rookie]

Well funny how everyone's car seems to NOT smoke before any exhaust mods, then all of a sudden with DP, test pipe, TBE, etc. etc. all of a sudden the issue arises and all of a sudden they're fighting with the dealer to get the turbo covered.

All i'm saying is, it seems this car's turbo is not meant to have setups like that because anytime someone puts one on, they have smoke and then a replaced turbo. Too much drama involved I think.

+1....I want to do dp but I'm gunshy because of all the horror stories.
Even the guys running the catted dp are having this issue.

 

[Silver Ecstasy]

It's not that the turbo doesn't smoke before dp or TBE, it's that the cats eat up the smoke so you can't see it until you remoive them

So our turbo's naturally just love to smoke..only our catalytic converters catch that extra? I wonder how much they can really hold before they start to clog or blow their stuffing?

 

[ericrapp]

Hey fellas, i have reported my experience a couple of times. I do not understand this and had to jump in again. If you look at my avatar or little picture next to my post, those are the stock downpipe and the stock mid cat. I have the full Corksport exhaust treatment, MScai, and ETS 3.5 Top mount and some more crap. About 5,500 miles on all the motor bolt ons. I am sure the turbo will not live forever with my driving but when it fails I will upgrade. Hopefully around October. But for now, only sooty exhaust, and throwing fuel out the tail pipe. rich under acceleration. Honest.

 

[mrjoshyman]

definitely start w/ the midpipe -- it seems to me that I got bigger gains from that than from my Cobb SRI, maybe its just throughout the entire powerband more? it's hard to say -- but I got more power than i was expecting..see how you like that

 

[FrequentFlyer]

It's not that the turbo doesn't smoke before dp or TBE, it's that the cats eat up the smoke so you can't see it until you remoive them

Cats don't "eat up" smoke. If the car is burning oil, you'll see it whether there is a cat or even two cats on the car. Cats are designed to convert nitrogen oxides to oxygen and nitrogen, unburnt hydrocarbons to carbon dioxide and water and carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide. They do nothing to get rid of smoke from burning oil. In fact, burnt oil vapor will probably do more to harm the cat(s) than anything.

 

[lestat13]

Cats don't "eat up" smoke. If the car is burning oil, you'll see it whether there is a cat or even two cats on the car. Cats are designed to convert nitrogen oxides to oxygen and nitrogen, unburnt hydrocarbons to carbon dioxide and water and carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide. They do nothing to get rid of smoke from burning oil. In fact, burnt oil vapor will probably do more to harm the cat(s) than anything.

Not arguing, but curious. I have heard many instances where people have smoking with their new exhaust setups (not residue burning off) and go back to stock for warranty work and they don't smoke anymore. One person even said they had to slap the dp back on to make it smoke for the dealer.

 

[MTuning]

a cat delete will most likely show it more. the cat converters are doing what they're suppose to do but i believe there is a chance that the honeycomb could take part in hiding the smoke. think of it as you blowing smoke through a shirt or paper towel. it'll catch some of it but to what extent, who knows. but it just goes back to the point, the turbo shouldn't be doing this lol.