From first gen Scion XB to cx-5?

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I'm thinking of parting with my beloved 2006 scion XB and getting a new cx-5. I was wondering if anyone here has experience with both vehicles and can offer any comparisons? Here are my main inquiries.

Size. I'd like something bigger, but I am not ready for the MPG hit of a full sized SUV. Is the cx-5 a big increase to matter? The XB seems bigger on the inside than the outside, which is nice, but the trunk area is tiny. I'd also like to be higher off the ground, which has a bit to do with size.

Noise. When I drive 75 on the highway in the XB, it's loud. Engine noise, road noise, wind noise. I can't afford a fortress-of-solitude luxury car and don't expect one for the cost of a cx-5, but a quieter ride sure would be nice.

Other than that, my main buying motivation is something with AWD, and good mileage. I'd also like to get an automatic tranny so my wife and I can swap cars if needed (she doesn't drive stick shift).

So can anyone offer any first hand experience between these two vehicles? Thanks!
 
It is bigger, quieter, and more refined inside and out than even the XB2 (doors lined with dynomat). The XB2 interior quality seems like it came out of a Fisher Price toy factory. The XB2 is considerably bigger and and supposedly better improved than your XB1.

Have you been inside and driven a CX-5? I think the new Rogue is a good competitor to the CX-5 and Escape (if the Escape was more reliable). Plenty features, great interior, good gas mileage, and well priced. Unfortunately the CVT drivetrain and mediocre vehicle dynamics makes it a real boring car to drive.
 
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I've driven a 1st gen Xb stick frequently, and comparing the 2 vehicles is like night and day. I bought one new for my wife's daughter while she was in college and she still owns it.

The CX-5 (GT) is much quieter, more refined, more powerful, much bigger inside and out, higher up (real SUV ride height), certainly feels like the much more expensive vehicle that it is. Driving 75-80 mph on freeway all day is no big deal, not the case with Xb.

If you have any other specific questions, I will gladly answer them. I have plenty of seat time in both.
 
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Great responses, and fast! Thanks guys. I have not been in a cx-5 yet, most of my "shopping" so far has been online research and comparing. I have about a dozen car dealers within a quarter mile home, but the closest mazda dealer is an hour away, which is unfortunate since the cx-5 is my leading choice right now.

I have looked into the Nissan Rogue. My friend actually got one last year. It is nice, and I started this new car journey thinking that the rogue was a sure winner, but I am really not a fan of the cvt. I drive a lot of rentals when traveling for work, and the cars with CVTs have always annoyed me. Seems like the cx-5 offers everything I like about the Rogue except it has more power, a "real" transmission, and better driving according to the reading I've been doing.

I'm going to try to make an appt for a test drive at the end of the week, or maybe next week, at the mazda dealer. I won't be ready for the purchase for another month at least, so I'll continue researching.

Again, thanks for the input.
 
The redesigned Rogue is a huge step up from last years. Especially inside. None the less, if CVT's annoy you, then the CX-5's automatic transmission will make you happy. It is literally the best in the small SUV/CUV class.

What options are you interested in?
 
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The redesigned Rogue is a huge step up from last years. Especially inside. None the less, if CVT's annoy you, then the CX-5's automatic transmission will make you happy. It is literally the best in the small SUV/CUV class.

What options are you interested in?

Right now I'm thinking about the 2014 AWD GT in white, black interior, maybe with clear film front protection.

I'm sure I'll take the new Rogue for a test drive while I'm shopping, but I'm fairly certain I will still be turned off by the CVT. The price and features seem about equal between the Rogue and the CX-5, but I know I like the look of the Mazda more. After sitting in both, my opinion may change, time will tell.

I do enjoy driving. The appeal of a sportier ride appeals to me, especially since I'll be giving up my stick shift. On the other hand, I commute about 2 hours a day, and there are times when a nice cushy ride would also be appealing. More often than not, I think I'd prefer the former over the latter though.

I bought the XB new after getting out of school, and it has been a great car. Almost no issues at all, with only oil changes. I'm at a point in life now where I'd like a nicer automobile, but still something fun, for my daily driver.
 
Well I can assure you that the steering response and feel of the CX-5 is better than the XB1&2. So, definitely not losing much sportiness if any at all. The ride will definitely be supple. Can thank Mazda's suspension tuning and rear multi-link design as opposed to a simple MacPherson front with torsion beam rear on the XB. Don't get me wrong, the XB is great for its price point and is by no means a bad car for its price. Upping the MSRP category another $10,000 really does make a difference in more ways than just size.
 
I parted with my 2005 Scion XA to get the CX-5.... :) Love everything about it.. .
 
Right now I'm thinking about the 2014 AWD GT in white, black interior, maybe with clear film front protection.

I'm sure I'll take the new Rogue for a test drive while I'm shopping, but I'm fairly certain I will still be turned off by the CVT. The price and features seem about equal between the Rogue and the CX-5, but I know I like the look of the Mazda more. After sitting in both, my opinion may change, time will tell.

I do enjoy driving. The appeal of a sportier ride appeals to me, especially since I'll be giving up my stick shift. On the other hand, I commute about 2 hours a day, and there are times when a nice cushy ride would also be appealing. More often than not, I think I'd prefer the former over the latter though.

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My taste runs similar to yours, being a past owner of too many stick shift cars to count. My CX-5 GT is white with black interior, no roof rack.

As stated by others the tranny is the best in this class with excellent manual mode, complete with throttle-blipping downshifts. CVT is unacceptable to me.

Handling is sporty for a crossover SUV, comfort and quietness (GT) good for long trips and/or long commutes. 2 years/26K miles so far, a couple of noises fixed (per TSB's) under warranty, otherwise flawless quality.
 
I ended up getting out of work early yesterday and heading to the Mazda dealer for a test drive with my wife. The dealer was refreshingly casual and low pressure, even after saying we wouldn't be buying anything today, just checking out our options for when we're ready to buy in a month or two. He let us take the car for as long as we wanted, so we were able to drive some city and highway, play with the radio, etc... Here are my takeaways.

Noise. Definitely quieter than the XB, as some of you claimed it would be. On the highway especially, this was great! I got up to 80 mph before I knew it and it was very relaxed sounding inside the cabin.

Power. I was surprised how slow it felt when going 80 compared to the XB...which is a weird way of saying it felt fast, I suppose. It's a phenomena everyone feels when driving a car that isn't the one they are used to. As I mentioned earlier, I drive a lot of rental cars because I travel so frequently, so I'm slightly less sensitive to this than most people. I had no issue getting on the highway, lane changing, etc... There was one instance when I made a left and someone in the oncoming direction cut around a car taking a left from that direction. I floored the gas to zip out of the way before he hit me (he didn't, by the way), and for a split second I thought "uh oh". But the engine revved after a split second and got me out of the way. I believe I would have felt more in control of the situation in my XB. I also believe this is entirely related to driving an automatic vs a manual, which I'm used to. Just to ease people's minds, there was never really any danger here. It was a strange intersection, and he could probably see me before I could see him. I was just surprised when I saw him in the breakdown lane coming around the other car.

Comfort. We test drove a Touring model, but had a chance to sit in a GT model on the lot. I did not care for the fabric seats in the touring, but the leather in the GT was pretty nice. I also found the added adjustments in the GT seats to be a plus. I'm about 6'2" and 170lbs, pretty tall and slim by local standards. The seats were fairly good feeling. The bolstering around my upper back/lower shoulders could be a little narrower than I'd design for myself. It is very likely I would think differently with some more time in the seat. The seats in my XB have far less bolstering.

Size. The hatch area is larger than the XB, but that's about it. It certainly didn't feel huge compared to the XB, maybe a little bigger. I folded down the back seats, and thought the overall volume in that configuration was better. The rear seat area felt smaller than the Scions. I liked the 40/20/40 split seat config. It is clear to me now that I had an unrealistic expectation for size increase. I'm not looking at a Grand Cherokee, or extended Yukon. The CX-5 has more cargo space than the XB, and is still an overall smallish, easy to park, low MPG automobile. These things I would be happy with.

Amenities. The reviews are correct, the CX-5 seems spartan inside and maybe a little dated. This is a good and a bad thing. A lot of people, me included, are excited about having a huge touch screen and technical everything, and with these wishes in mind, sitting in the CX-5 can feel like sitting in a early 2000's car. However, I've learned that these techy advances come at a dramatic cost when things go awry. My colleague's 5 series BMW has a big screen and knob that controls everything, from the radio to the climate control. While it was very cool and modern feeling at first, guess how great it was when the screen malfunctioned and wouldn't show anything legible? And then guess how great it was when he had to bring it to the dealership to have it fixed. Yikes. It seems old fashioned to look at, but give me a knob to twist when I want to turn the heat down. I did not find the "infotainment" (ugh.. I can't even type that word without gagging) screen did not seem too small to me as some reviews state. It was OK. Bluetooth from my phone was able to play music and podcasts. The Bose system sounded decent for a factory system. I'm not an audiophile, but I do know about sound. It was too centered, largely coming from that dash speaker, but the tone was overall decent. I could see myself replacing the audio system down the road maybe.

Handling. Very good. Period. Very different feeling from my XB. The XB drives more like a Camry. The steering is light, but it goes where I want and isn't twitchy. The CX-5 was heavier but felt connected. It feel reminded me a lot of my first car, a Honda CRX, with rack and pinion steering. I loved that car.

That's all I can think of for now. I'm trying to wait before purchasing because I'll have a chunk of money coming in after mid April. Do you guys have any opinions on timing? I know the 2015s will be hitting the lots any second, which should provide incentives for the 2014s, but I have a specific model and color combo (GT AWD white with black leather) that almost no one around here seems to keep in stock. According to the Mazda dealer, there is only 1 in stock in any of the "local" dealers (within 40 miles or so). If I wait a month or more I'd probably be looking at getting a 2015, which may mean more money.
 
I ended up getting out of work early yesterday and heading to the Mazda dealer for a test drive with my wife. The dealer was refreshingly casual and low pressure, even after saying we wouldn't be buying anything today, just checking out our options for when we're ready to buy in a month or two. He let us take the car for as long as we wanted, so we were able to drive some city and highway, play with the radio, etc... Here are my takeaways.

Noise. Definitely quieter than the XB, as some of you claimed it would be. On the highway especially, this was great! I got up to 80 mph before I knew it and it was very relaxed sounding inside the cabin.

Power. I was surprised how slow it felt when going 80 compared to the XB...which is a weird way of saying it felt fast, I suppose. It's a phenomena everyone feels when driving a car that isn't the one they are used to. As I mentioned earlier, I drive a lot of rental cars because I travel so frequently, so I'm slightly less sensitive to this than most people. I had no issue getting on the highway, lane changing, etc... There was one instance when I made a left and someone in the oncoming direction cut around a car taking a left from that direction. I floored the gas to zip out of the way before he hit me (he didn't, by the way), and for a split second I thought "uh oh". But the engine revved after a split second and got me out of the way. I believe I would have felt more in control of the situation in my XB. I also believe this is entirely related to driving an automatic vs a manual, which I'm used to. Just to ease people's minds, there was never really any danger here. It was a strange intersection, and he could probably see me before I could see him. I was just surprised when I saw him in the breakdown lane coming around the other car.

Comfort. We test drove a Touring model, but had a chance to sit in a GT model on the lot. I did not care for the fabric seats in the touring, but the leather in the GT was pretty nice. I also found the added adjustments in the GT seats to be a plus. I'm about 6'2" and 170lbs, pretty tall and slim by local standards. The seats were fairly good feeling. The bolstering around my upper back/lower shoulders could be a little narrower than I'd design for myself. It is very likely I would think differently with some more time in the seat. The seats in my XB have far less bolstering.

Size. The hatch area is larger than the XB, but that's about it. It certainly didn't feel huge compared to the XB, maybe a little bigger. I folded down the back seats, and thought the overall volume in that configuration was better. The rear seat area felt smaller than the Scions. I liked the 40/20/40 split seat config. It is clear to me now that I had an unrealistic expectation for size increase. I'm not looking at a Grand Cherokee, or extended Yukon. The CX-5 has more cargo space than the XB, and is still an overall smallish, easy to park, low MPG automobile. These things I would be happy with.

Amenities. The reviews are correct, the CX-5 seems spartan inside and maybe a little dated. This is a good and a bad thing. A lot of people, me included, are excited about having a huge touch screen and technical everything, and with these wishes in mind, sitting in the CX-5 can feel like sitting in a early 2000's car. However, I've learned that these techy advances come at a dramatic cost when things go awry. My colleague's 5 series BMW has a big screen and knob that controls everything, from the radio to the climate control. While it was very cool and modern feeling at first, guess how great it was when the screen malfunctioned and wouldn't show anything legible? And then guess how great it was when he had to bring it to the dealership to have it fixed. Yikes. It seems old fashioned to look at, but give me a knob to twist when I want to turn the heat down. I did not find the "infotainment" (ugh.. I can't even type that word without gagging) screen did not seem too small to me as some reviews state. It was OK. Bluetooth from my phone was able to play music and podcasts. The Bose system sounded decent for a factory system. I'm not an audiophile, but I do know about sound. It was too centered, largely coming from that dash speaker, but the tone was overall decent. I could see myself replacing the audio system down the road maybe.

Handling. Very good. Period. Very different feeling from my XB. The XB drives more like a Camry. The steering is light, but it goes where I want and isn't twitchy. The CX-5 was heavier but felt connected. It feel reminded me a lot of my first car, a Honda CRX, with rack and pinion steering. I loved that car.

That's all I can think of for now. I'm trying to wait before purchasing because I'll have a chunk of money coming in after mid April. Do you guys have any opinions on timing? I know the 2015s will be hitting the lots any second, which should provide incentives for the 2014s, but I have a specific model and color combo (GT AWD white with black leather) that almost no one around here seems to keep in stock. According to the Mazda dealer, there is only 1 in stock in any of the "local" dealers (within 40 miles or so). If I wait a month or more I'd probably be looking at getting a 2015, which may mean more money.

Well, the 2015's supposedly aren't getting much of a real upgrade, aside from advanced keyless entry becoming standard on a lower trim. I doubt you'll see too many incentives on 14's, probably left over 13's though.

Funny you say that about the BMW. My mom purchased a 2004 or 5 bmw 5 sedan new shortly before we left Germany. It was a beast to drive (160 easy on the bahn), but it had all kinds of issues with the infotainment, as does the 2008 X5 she replaced it with. $60000 get's you a car that's in the shop multiple times per year for mechanical (lifter on the engine rod broke) and software issues lol.

I think you will be happy with a CX-5. It has everything I want except more engine power (2.0 awd auto extra mechanical drag galore here), but even so it's still a lot of fun to drive and toss around.
 
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