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my apologies. i thought i heard when i was there that the bigger one might be less efficient because of the longer paths?
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my apologies. i thought i heard when i was there that the bigger one might be less efficient because of the longer paths?
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Keith@FP
I'll let the folks who own the kits describe the driveability. My comments would be too easy to take as marketing. I can tell you that one of the Mazdaspeed managers drove our own car and was very impressed at the behaviour 
We do have plans for a standalone down the road. I don't have a price, predicted output or even full specs on it. But we do have plans. It would ship with defaults that would be close. Unfortunately, car-to-car differences will mean that for optimum power it would still need some tuning. Gas quality, exhaust systems, headwork, internals and even altitude have to be taken into consideration. I know I keep going on about the Miatas, but use them as a guide to what to expect. Our ECUs for those ship with defaults that make the cars quite driveable out of the box. They can be tuned to 95% on the road - and that's good enough for most people. But to get the maximum performance, they need to be dyno tuned.
Keith
We do have plans for a standalone down the road. I don't have a price, predicted output or even full specs on it. But we do have plans. It would ship with defaults that would be close. Unfortunately, car-to-car differences will mean that for optimum power it would still need some tuning. Gas quality, exhaust systems, headwork, internals and even altitude have to be taken into consideration. I know I keep going on about the Miatas
, but use them as a guide to what to expect. Our ECUs for those ship with defaults that make the cars quite driveable out of the box. They can be tuned to 95% on the road - and that's good enough for most people. But to get the maximum performance, they need to be dyno tuned.Keith
Drivability is great, even with the FMU setup. I had a few RX-7 folks ride in my car, and they all comment on the smooth drivability. I do get a little loping at idle (very slight), but this is due to the different fuel pressure at idle I believe, or the stepper motor for IAC. (shrug)
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if you are talking about the hesitation that the Mazdaspeed Protege experiences "pre-flash" in the midrange rpms, then no, that is not present at all. that is an ECU problem inherent to that car. The only times I ever experienced rough driving characteristics was before I installed the o2 voltage clamp that now comes standard. The car drives very smooth. the application of power is very nice all the way to redline 
When the Mazdaspeed Protege was rolled out here in Chicago, I showed up at the dealer and let the Mazda tech who was demoing the car to the salesmen drive my car. He was suitably impressed, to put it mildly. He got out of the car, walked over to the sales manager and parts manager and kept muttering "night and day man, its night and f**kin' day". the parts manager came over and told me that he warned the guy that I would "run circles around his car".
When the Mazdaspeed Protege was rolled out here in Chicago, I showed up at the dealer and let the Mazda tech who was demoing the car to the salesmen drive my car. He was suitably impressed, to put it mildly. He got out of the car, walked over to the sales manager and parts manager and kept muttering "night and day man, its night and f**kin' day". the parts manager came over and told me that he warned the guy that I would "run circles around his car".
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Keith@FP said:
That's true...We did it a few times on my install.
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Keith@FP said:Doggone,
If we raise the price of the turbo kit, yes. We have a flat rate for shipping in the US, otherwise we charge whatever it costs. If you're trying to pit us against them for a better deal, we don't play that game.
Pics of the intercooler are below. The cardboard template shows the location of the two holes. There's nothing on the other side, so no concerns about nailing wires:
Keith
Is that your car?
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Doggone said:
Driveablity is sweet...The turbo should have been there from the factory.
The FP kit is great, it feel sso subtle, but you know there is a difference. No hesitation.
I am very happy.
I think Keith can attest to that, as they pretty much had to kick me out of the shop.
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Keith@FP said:
Nevermind the previous post about your car...Should have looked at the site...(I thought I recognized that floor and background)
How's the hood working? I love the way the car looks, and sits!
PS - How's the Caddy? I see the big green beast in the background of the hood shot...
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I should mention that I have put 20,000 turbocharged miles on this kit and it is just cherry
I have to let you guys know how much response I'll get once I get my downpipe to get rid of all the cats. Hopefully it'll be really nice so I'll get more power.
I just got the CEL eliminator in the mail...
I have problems with the IC pipes as well, I banged them real good. Just have to remember to drive on and off ramps at an akward angle then you are good.
by the way, heres a recent pic of my ride and my buddies 13 sec Rex. My best time is 14.6...
I just got the CEL eliminator in the mail...
I have problems with the IC pipes as well, I banged them real good. Just have to remember to drive on and off ramps at an akward angle then you are good.
by the way, heres a recent pic of my ride and my buddies 13 sec Rex. My best time is 14.6...
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DooMer_MP3
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Did you MP3 owners with the FM kit bother switching to P5 ECUs? I know people tend to do it, but we don't even know how much the MP3 CPU is advanced over the ES/P5 ECU (ie if its REALLY needed).
Chris
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There is a dyno sheet and explination of differences between the ECUs at FP's website. They did encounter "ping" with the MP3 on the dyno.
http://www.flyinmiata.com/protege/tech/ecu.asp
http://www.flyinmiata.com/protege/tech/ecu.asp
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Captain KRM P5 said:
HEY! That's my car!
Oh yeah. No I didn't bother switching as I felt the testing of what the MP3 ECU does is more valuable. At anyrate, it doesn't matter.
If you stay at 6 psi with the MP3, it might be worth while. Otherwise, any piggy back (or other type mod) will over ride the advanced timing anyway.
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Doomer, you could always opt for the J&S safeguard like Linux did.
DooMer_MP3
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StuttersC said:
So you're saying you still have the MP3 ECU with your kit, right? And you've been running 6psi no problems?
I wonder if it would be a problem with a non-intercooled (stage 1) kit at 4psi... Hmph.
Chris
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DooMer_MP3 said:
I get knock over 5000 rpm sometimes. Depending on temp though and heat soak I have heard it as low as 4000.
I just shift below 5000 and stay safe in the upper gears. If we had higher octane gas up here there porbably wouldn't be a probably, as I know Linux was fine at 6 psi with his MP3 ECU.
I would get an intercooled kit. It's just safer, IMHO.
