FM Turbo

[Doggone]

Captain

Any CEL's?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

no check engine lights. the FM kit retains all stock emissions gear and sensors. i get 300 to 320 miles on one tank of premium gas in Chicago traffic. the charge pipes for the IC do hang low, slighty lower than the lip of the front bumper. Don't worry, they are SOLID - I have scraped and bumped many low angles and never had a problem. The only cutting you will need to to do is a small 1/2 inch section behind the grill for proper fitment of the intercooler brackets. you could do it with an x-acto knife if you wanted to.

 

[Doggone]

Is the charge pipe noticable?

 

[Keith@FP]

Captain

I have read something about the IC pipes being to low on the car is this true?

It's true on the standard IC setup. The larger IC has the pipes coming around from the side and has no effect on clearance. Both ICs do require some trimming of the plastic bumper but nothing structural. The larger IC requires two holes to be drilled in a non-structural section of sheet metal.

Keith

 

[Doggone]

Keith

I am very interested in this Turbo.

I think 6psi is great for these cars. I just need a little more power. But fit and finish and reliablity is my number one concern. I live in Windsor, Ontario Canada

We have emission testing here every two years. Since both cats are retained it shouldened be an issue.

Did you jguys get CARB approval yet?

Anyway, is the new IC SPearco, and is the kit the same price with the new IC?

 

[Keith@FP]

Fit, finish and reliability has all been covered by the other folks, and you'll believe them more than I World of Wheels used our turbo kit in the P5 they built to give away last year, by the way.

Getting through DriveClean should not be a problem at all. We don't have CARB for the car yet, but the DriveClean test is only at idle and at a constant 40 kmh. In both cases, you're not even close to generating boost and the fuel pressure is the same as stock. The visual check is nothing more than checking to see if there's a cat on the car - even if you pulled the pre-cat (used for cold starts) it should be no problem at all passing.

The larger IC is not Spearco. It's made specifically for this application by Bell Engineering. That's preferable to trying to adapt a generic IC. I don't know the prices yet, but they should be very close to the current one. Ken says I'll have them "by sundown tomorrow".

Keith

 

[PatrickP5]

Keith,

Have you guys had any success/experience with your turbo kit on an auto P5? Please give details of any success or problems you've had, if any, with an auto P5.

Also, can I have you guys install/tune a kit for me? If so, what would be the cost for that? How long would you have my car?


Patrick

 

[Keith@FP]

We installed our kit on a 1.8 automatic. It worked extremely well and last I heard it had 20,000 (?) miles on it. Corky was going to do an install on a 2.0 (I don't know if it was a P5 or a sedan but that's irrelevant) but I haven't heard details or if the install ever happened.

From looking at the diagrams, it appears the biggest difference is in the radiator end tanks and the size of the bellhousing. The former - if it is a problem at all - would be avoided with the larger IC routing. I don't think the larger bellhousing would be a problem.

Cost for us to install and tune is $1125. We like to keep the car for a week.

Keith

 

[Captain KRM P5]

We installed our kit on a 1.8 automatic.

A little off topic, but I was curious then if the kit would also fit on any third gen (99 - current) Protege with a manual and the 1.8? did you ever dyno the 1.8 with the turbo on it?

even if you pulled the pre-cat (used for cold starts) it should be no problem at all passing.

confused - is this the so called "first cat" that is connected right after the exhaust manifold? would it be eliminated by corky's off road downpipe? what kinds of gains would you see from using that pipe?

 

[Keith@FP]

There were modifications required to the kit to fit the 1.8. The body is different on the earlier cars. Corky did that install and I don't believe it was ever dynoed.

Your Protege has two cats. The pre-cat is the first one and most turbo kits toss it out, as does the off-road pipe. You should see faster spoolup, more power and a consistent CEL if you don't relocate the second O2 sensor. I don't have dyno numbers on this as we don't currently have the ability to dyno the 5-lug Protege at the moment.

Keith

 

[Captain KRM P5]

more power and a consistent CEL if you don't relocate the second O2 sensor.

Patrick (LinuxRacr) tells me there are fittings on the pipe for the o2 sensors? would an MIL eliminator take care of the check engine light? do you guys sell the off road pipe or know how much it costs?

sorry to ask so many questions thanks

 

[SedanMan]

I would like to know how the fit of the IC is on a regular Protege bumper. Does anyone have a picture?

Cause if it the pipes are low on a P5, then they probably go lower than my bumper.

 

[Keith@FP]

Basically, the two O2 sensors need to have a cat between them. It's okay if that cat is the larger, second one. You will have to weld a new bung plug on the exhaust after the cat in order to do this.

The off road pipe is $206.95. It could also be substituted on a new kit.

The pipes for the smaller IC do go lower than the bumper. I don't have any photos that show the black pipes against the black undertray though - you can't see them in my shots.

Keith

 

[Captain KRM P5]

Basically, the two O2 sensors need to have a cat between them. It's okay if that cat is the larger, second one. You will have to weld a new bung plug on the exhaust after the cat in order to do this.

so does mean that if i welded a new plug i would NOT need a MIL eliminator? what bungs, if any then, are on the off road pipe?

i can take some pictures of the pipes and post them here tonight or tommorow.

 

[Keith@FP]

What does MIL stand for?

There's a bung in the off road pipe for the first O2 sensor. You then need to weld a bung into the stock exhaust after the remaining cat for the second sensor. You'll probably have to extend the wires. Voila, no CEL.

Keith

 

[Captain KRM P5]

What does MIL stand for?

sorry Keith

http://www.apexr1.com/mamilelcfi.htm <- I am assuming this is "cheating".

to weld in a extra bung; so it would mean removing the stock exhaust and putting one right into the pipe...hmm. sounds like a better method of doing this anyhow. How much would a typical welding job like this run?

 

[flat_black]

10 - 30$, I would say, by a small shop. It's a really quick operation; Drill out a hole, put bung in place, weld, done. =) Any more than that and you're being overcharged, IMO. =)

 

[TUNGSTENGREYWIDOW]

Keith I to am looking at getting this kit. The only question I have is will this kit work with my auto p5 without any other modifications other than the IC piping?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

The only question I have is will this kit work with my auto p5 without any other modifications other than the IC piping?

Keith, you mentioned above about Corky doing an install for someone with an auto... I think I know the person from St. Louis who wanted to have his silver auto p5 get fitted with the FM kit. he had bought a aux tranny cooler in preparation. Would you guys see this as unnessecary?

 

[Little Beavis]

Basically, the two O2 sensors need to have a cat between them. It's okay if that cat is the larger, second one. You will have to weld a new bung plug on the exhaust after the cat in order to do this.

Exactly, just have an O2 sensor before and after a cat and you will not have a CEL. You will of course have to lengthen the wires and such, but it is an easy fix, and a cheap one too as already described.