FM Turbo Protege Dyno!

There are four ways to deliver more fuel, one of which is a poor option.

- higher pressure, stock injectors. This is easy, inexpensive and works well up to about 8 psi if the extra pressure is tied to boost level. For those looking for an affordable kit, it's the preferred method. It can also be CARB approved. OBD-II is untouched.

- stock injectors with auxiliaries. This involves a bit of extra plumbing, but can also be CARB approved. The extra injectors are controlled by a separate device such as the Link piggyback, and this means they only add fuel when fuel is needed. Otherwise, you're basically driving a stock car as long as you stay out of boost. Some of the controllers also can do timing changes, such as the Link. (I know the Links well, thus my use of it for examples. There are other options). This is what we do for the 1999+ Miatas. The wiring can be quite simple. OBD-II is untouched.

-bigger injectors in place of stock, stock ECU. Some people think this is a good alternative because it's cheap. However, it means the car runs rich all the time. Basically, the car gets set up to run under full boost ONLY - not good. This is a poor solution. OBD-II will probably start throwing codes.

- bigger injectors in place of stock, different ECU. This is our choice for the top-end 1990-97 Miata kits. The programmable ECU can either run just fuel and timing or control the entire car. It's the best choice, but it's also quite expensive. It's impossible to get CARB approval for it. Wiring can be complex, depending on how the setup is tailored. OBD-II often gets tossed right out the window.

We're concentrating on lower-boost systems right now as we learn the capabilities of the Proteg platform.

Keith
 
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I may be getting an E-manage in the next few days. I'll keep everyone posted. I'm not boosted yet, but I will be by the end of the year hopefully. As some of you know I've decided to build a custom intake manifold and bolt on an Eaton M62. I need to address engine management first, tune it normally aspirated just to see what else it will do, and then I'll boost it.
 
smp300 the apexi itc will not work with our cars......they only work on cars with distys. Best thing to do for timing is get a J&S knock sensor for now.

We are thinking of providing intake manifolds that are already prepped with bungs, fuel rails and injectors for owners that want to go with a staged injection route i.e. SDS/LINK. Just like to gauge the response here to see if anyone is interested............and you know if we make it will look trick;)

As for link tunning I can provide anyone with info........we are currently (slowly:mad: )updating our website and will provide instructions to hardwire the LINK if anyone is interested and provide defaults. These will be similar to the ones to my car but just bit more conservative i.e. for lower octane fuel, temps ect. All initial tuning is done on a dyno with a wideband o2 so we will have a good conservative baseline for Pro's running across the country. If anyone is interested in this come forth!:)
 
Sounds cool...So, you plan on making a full blown intake manifold now??

Crazy...
 
When we do this on the Miata (like the kit that Terry had on his Miata), we modify the stock intake manifold. It's a lot easier than building a new one...

Keith
 
I kind of figured that...

PS - I'll see the FM guys in the afternoon Monday...Which is today...
 
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spoolinmp3 said:
smp300 the apexi itc will not work with our cars......they only work on cars with distys. Best thing to do for timing is get a J&S knock sensor for now.

We are thinking of providing intake manifolds that are already prepped with bungs, fuel rails and injectors for owners that want to go with a staged injection route i.e. SDS/LINK. Just like to gauge the response here to see if anyone is interested............and you know if we make it will look trick;)

Count me in...LINK is the way to go, with aux injectors. You make a good looking head.....
yum yum!!!!!
 
slowyellowp5 said:
Too bad I'm all the way in Florida, all by myself...with 94 octane at the pumps...I'll just have to work with that :)
lucky 94 sob......Indy is a 91 town, sucks. At least we've got racing blue out here (local racing fuel company). If gas prices get much higher, I might just run it all the time. (kidding)
 
Yea there's a pump kinda by this track (actually I think it's a horse track, that's how I remember, it was funny) that sells 98 down in Miami..not too bad of a deal if I remember. I hope to god I never need 98...then again that might be a good thing ;)
 
slowyellowp5 said:
Yea there's a pump kinda by this track (actually I think it's a horse track, that's how I remember, it was funny) that sells 98 down in Miami..not too bad of a deal if I remember. I hope to god I never need 98...then again that might be a good thing ;)
Yeah, if i ever got to the point where I needed 98 id be a happy f*ing camper!
 
Yea there's a pump kinda by this track (actually I think it's a horse track, that's how I remember, it was funny) that sells 98 down in Miami..not too bad of a deal if I remember. I hope to god I never need 98...then again that might be a good thing

where is this pump?
By flagler horse track..........I am interested:D
 
Linux, that's a pretty scary combo, boost on top of 10.5/1 compression with an mp3 ecu that bumps timing. 93 octane *might* save you, but I wouldn't count on running much boost.
 
TurboDog's Dad said:
Linux, that's a pretty scary combo, boost on top of 10.5/1 compression with an mp3 ecu that bumps timing. 93 octane *might* save you, but I wouldn't count on running much boost.

I have already taken the 10.5:1 pistons out, and am gonna be running the 9.1:1 stock (overbore) pistons.
 
slowyellowp5 said:
Too bad I'm all the way in Florida, all by myself...with 94 octane at the pumps...I'll just have to work with that :)

Where are you getting 94 octane from? I'm a few exits from Weston.
 
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Where are you getting 94 octane from? I'm a few exits from Weston.

Hey there "Visitor" why don't you take off your coat and stay a while, atleast long enough to show off that fine lookin' Miata! (thumb) C'mon Please!
 
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