Engine Swap Begins

[jeffmsp]

Hey guys,

As you all know from my previous thread my motor failed and I am going to be replacing this week. I am wondering if anyone has a check list or how to for removing the motor. I have pulled several motors before but a nice list or how to would be a good reference guide for me while I am going along. I can remove the entire transmission without even looking at a guide ive done it so many times but I have never pulled the entire motor in my Speed so if anyone has some additional pointers or advice that would be great. Looks pretty straightforward, but I dont wanna mess anything up. I think I am going to drop the motor through the bottom, should be easiest.

New Motor is a FS-ZE. I will hopefully be able to get the fsze intake manofold sorted out so it does not produce a cel. I believe this will be the first MSP with FSZE swap done. If there are any others out their with the swap in a msp please chime in i could use any additional advice you may have. Hope I can get my AFC in time before I finish the swap. Going to run stock boost and get it tuned hopefully before the snow hits, should make great numbers at 8psi with 94 octane fuel. (first)

I am starting to remove the motor this weekend and will be picking up the new motor monday, i was suppost to have it last weekend but i have weak friends and nobody wanted to donate a friday night to help me with the loading/unloading of the new motor.

Thanks guys TTYL, Jeff

 

[GMalatrasi]

What did they new engine come out of?

 

[yashart_mp3]

I would be very careful. Even at 8psi, the higher compression pistons could cause problems.

My suggestion to you, is to get a unichip or something that can control timing. Install the unichip without the boost controller. You are going to want to pull timing with the high compression pistons, especially if you experience spiking. Just a suggestion

Other than that, I suggest stickers. Yes, cheap color coding stickers. Something like this, that can be found at Staples.

Why? For every harnes/ plug you undo. Place (for example) a red sticker on on both sides of a plug. Number each side 1. Next plug you undo, use a yellow and number it 2. And so on and so on. Do this for every single plug that you undo. It will prove be very helpful when re-assembling things.

 

[Keno1542]

thats a good idea yashart

 

[noclue119]

IBTBA - (In Before The Boom..... Again) J/K.


Good luck man. Love to see the results.

 

[B1GHAM]

def. drop compression w/ forged pistons, if not to 8.5:1 atleast to stock MSP compresson (9.1:1).

whats the FS-ZE motor run? 10.1:1? I remember it being rediculously high...

BTW yashart, GREAT IDEA!! its soo simple I didnt even think of it lol..

(Im pulling my engine out for a rebuild and that just makes SENSE)

 

[Boosted03MSP]

high compression + boost = BOOM!!! Im on my second engine too.lol. Get lower compression rods/pistons. I purchased a ZE to put into my MX6, but havent had the time in i dunno....2 years. LOL

 

[jeffmsp]

i will be fine. i will use the afc to handle fuel and keep the afs a bit conservative. I am sure I can pull of 8psi considering I was boosting over 12 on 9:1. Just needs tuning. If I decide to go over 8 I will install a J and S ignition. I will use my injection kit to help reduce intake temps, the afc will handle appropriet fuel. Aside from my 3" catless exhaust and steering wheel boost gauge car will appear stock. And if I ever do get to the point where I need to drop the compression I can just add a thicker stronger head gasket, but I doubt I will ever have to do this seeing as how I do not plan to overpower the stock drivetrain. I want a well round stock appearing car thats great on the back roads.

 

[Fudgie]

For the amount your going to spend on a J&S, why not get an MPI that actually control your timing as oppsed to retarding it after it detects knock. Might be too late at that point.

 

[jeffmsp]

you can have your base timing set how you want it with the J and S. I change fuel on a daily basis from 94-race gas so the J and S is a must for me if I wanna start boosting over 8psi. For now Im sure 8psi is fine for winte, snow will be everywhere anyways. The MPINick stage one T25 upgrade is next on the shopping list to help releave some backpressure and add some more top end grunt and a blkzoomzoom knock off "stock" IC to finish the package by the summer. Should be a crazy car at 10psi with good gas and my injection kit and cost me less than a stock fsde motor.

 

[dominoy2k1]

taking it out the bottom. hmm.. id take it out through the top with an engine hoist. seemed easier that way when i rebuilt mine.

 

[TheMAN]

trusting a high compression TURBO engine on an s-afc, real smart

just so you know, turbo'd FS-ZEs have been done already, so you're not the first

 

[jeffmsp]

really ive dropped several 1.8ls bp this way and the process was quite smooth.

 

[jeffmsp]

[quote\trusting a high compression TURBO engine on an s-afc, real smart

just so you know, turbo'd FS-ZEs have been done already, so you're not the first
[/quote]

Ya cause 8psi is high boost..and the compression difference is not that signifigant a risk considering it will be properly tuned and have good gas. If DSMAFC was the weak link it would have showed up when I was boosting 14psi on 9.1:1 compression. The dsmafc is nice, have you ever tried or are you saying this cause some guy told you so? Ive tuned with it firsthand, ill be fine.i know im not the first person to turbo a ze i said ze in a msp. (insert smiley to make me look cool here)

 

[jeffmsp]

enough talk ill post back with pics.Figuring I might as well try to port the exhaust mani as best I can while its off the motor. HP numbers to come of course whenever this ordeal is finished as well as nice pics.

 

[CustomMSP]

trusting a high compression TURBO engine on an s-afc, real smart

just so you know, turbo'd FS-ZEs have been done already, so you're not the first

He's not referring to the Apexi s-AFC, but the Split Second fuel management system sold by DSMConvert.

 

[sandspeed]

nice jeff...sounds like its going to be a pretty cool setup. What kind of hp numbers are you looking for on 8psi, should b pretty quick up top (rpm)

 

[yashart_mp3]

Jeff,

You asked for peoples input... what were you expecting? If you wont listen to us, why ask for our input?

Please hear us out. high compression + boost = bad idea. PLEASE do yourself a favor and get an MPI or unichip.... SOMETHING that can control timing.

Yes, the AFC is a great unit and works well on most MSP's. But you must remember there is more to tuning than just fuel and AFR's. Yes, the AFC will give you more than enough fuel, but it cant control timing!Using a J&S is not the way to go. Like others have said, why not solve the problem before it starts. A J&S is a great backup, for example a bad tank of gas. I would install a J&S in addition to an EMS that control timing, just to be safe.

Nobody wants to say "i told you so" a couple months from now.

 

[TheMAN]

something tells me that he's so smart that he won't post about his motor being blown in a few months

 

[jeffmsp]

the J and S can control your base timing.

something tells me that he's so smart that he won't post about his motor being blown in a few months

thats what people said about 14psi on stock motor. 100,000kms later and it was the twisties that took out the bottom end. Why do you think detonation is going to be a problem at 8psi. I have fuel control managed with good fuel at my local pump, 3" catless exhaust to help with EGT and backpressure, colder plugs, a better flowing intake and exhaust manifold and tuning.