Engine Swap Begins

[Blake]

High Compression+Turbo=TOOOO MUCH COMPRESSION. It will instantly start to detonate in boost.

 

[Blake]

Especially on stock ignition timing.

 

[noclue119]

Hey i just want to see the progress and any updates. And of course any failures.

 

[jeffmsp]

ok first of all:

1. There is NOT ONE GOD DAMN documented case of a properly tuned MSP or any FSDE breaking its rods at less then 250WHP. STOP THE GOD DAMN INTERNET TALK. SHOW ME ONE GOD DAMND FSDE THAT BLEW A ROD THAT WAS PROPERLY TUNED AND HAD SUPPORTING MODS. THERE ARENT ANY SO STFU AND STAY THE **** OUT OF MY THREAD YOU INTERNET BULLSHITTER.

I SEE PEOPLE BLOW THEM THAT ARE RETARDS AND PEOPLE THAT BLOW THEM OVER 250WHP.

2.

It will instantly start to detonate in boost.[/QUOTE

YES IF I WAS A RETARD AND RAN 91 OCTANE GAS I WOULD BE ******. I AM RUNNING 94 AND HAVE METHENOL INJECTION, COLDER PLUGS AND LESS BACKPRESSURE. MORE THEN ENOUGH TO KEEP DETONATION AWAY AT 8PSI.

3.

Especially on stock ignition timing.

Should be fine at 8psi. If its not, ill back it to 6psi until I get the J and S.

4.

there is one thing we have all learned, its that the MSP breaks when it wants to.

this is the stupisest thing you have ever said. Maybe people who dont know what the **** they are doing, maybe you are one of them.

 

[jeffmsp]

ok first of all:

1. There is NOT ONE GOD DAMN documented case of a properly tuned MSP or any FSDE breaking its rods at less then 250WHP. STOP THE GOD DAMN INTERNET TALK. SHOW ME ONE GOD DAMND FSDE THAT BLEW A ROD THAT WAS PROPERLY TUNED AND HAD SUPPORTING MODS. THERE ARENT ANY SO STFU AND STAY THE **** OUT OF MY THREAD YOU INTERNET BULLSHITTER. JUST CAUSE A COUPLE NOOBS BOUGHT A JOEP MBC AND BLEW THEIR s*** UP THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TURNS INTO A BUNCH OF PUSSIES, 14PSI, 100,00KMS AND NO PROBLEMS. IF YOU CANT GET SIMILAR RESULTS YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!~!!!!!!!!!

I SEE PEOPLE BLOW THEM THAT ARE RETARDS AND PEOPLE THAT BLOW THEM OVER 250WHP.

2.

It will instantly start to detonate in boost.[/QUOTE

YES IF I WAS A RETARD AND RAN 91 OCTANE GAS I WOULD BE ******. I AM RUNNING 94 AND HAVE METHENOL INJECTION, COLDER PLUGS AND LESS BACKPRESSURE. MORE THEN ENOUGH TO KEEP DETONATION AWAY AT 8PSI.

3.

Especially on stock ignition timing.

Should be fine at 8psi. If its not, ill back it to 6psi until I get the J and S.

4.

there is one thing we have all learned, its that the MSP breaks when it wants to.

this is the stupisest thing you have ever said. Maybe people who dont know what the **** they are doing, maybe you are one of them.

 

[Blake]

1. There is NOT ONE GOD DAMN documented case of a properly tuned MSP or any FSDE breaking its rods at less then 250WHP. STOP THE GOD DAMN INTERNET TALK. SHOW ME ONE GOD DAMND FSDE THAT BLEW A ROD THAT WAS PROPERLY TUNED AND HAD SUPPORTING MODS. THERE ARENT ANY SO STFU AND STAY THE **** OUT OF MY THREAD YOU INTERNET BULLSHITTER. JUST CAUSE A COUPLE NOOBS BOUGHT A JOEP MBC AND BLEW THEIR s*** UP THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TURNS INTO A BUNCH OF PUSSIES, 14PSI, 100,00KMS AND NO PROBLEMS. IF YOU CANT GET SIMILAR RESULTS YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!~!!!!!!!!!

This is where you are wrong, there have been cases of the msp blowing up at STOCK BOOST. 150 hp, 100 under what your stating your running. And even N/A Motors blowing up!. Dude you asked for opinions, mine is very firm. This motor will not last long. High Compression and Boost do not go together, get you some stock pistons from the fsde and swap em out. That is your best bet.

 

[low_psi]

There is no such thing as high and low boost with high compression pistons. There is NO boost with high compression pistons. Period!

Extremely untrue. Please explain to me how Hondas running 10.2:1+ CRs manage to not blow up.

Jeff, have you thought about port matching the intake manifold and head? I don't know how much material you can take out of the exhaust manifold and ports, but the intake side can defiantely be opened up. I know you mentioned porting the exhaust manifold earlier in the thread. Let me know what you end up porting.

 

[jeffmsp]

Sorry For Being A Bastard And Bashing People, But This Weak Rod bulls*** Stops Here. Unless Someone Can Show Me Evidence Of Someone Breaking A Rod At Less Than 250whp Properly Tuned With Supporting Mods Then Just Stop The Internet bulls***. Blkzoomzoom Made 200 Qm Passes Between 270-290whp Estimate, I Ran 14psi For 3 Years 100,00kms No Problems. Just Cause You People Dont Know s*** About Modding Your Car Doesnt Mean The Rods Cant Hold 250 Or Less. No More bulls*** Show Me Evidence Or Stfu.

 

[jeffmsp]

Jeff, have you thought about port matching the intake manifold and head? I don't know how much material you can take out of the exhaust manifold and ports, but the intake side can defiantely be opened up. I know you mentioned porting the exhaust manifold earlier in the thread. Let me know what you end up porting

going to the leave the intake manifold for now, should not be holding me back as the fsze is the best fs IM you can get, if I ever take it apart ya I would port match.

 

[jeffmsp]

This is where you are wrong, there have been cases of the msp blowing up at STOCK BOOST. 150 hp, 100 under what your stating your running

im sorry but these people must drive like retard and wot 5th up a hill or they got a bad motor from the factory. im not BSING Ive boosted for years the FS, i am talking out of experience,which is more than i can say for the rest of you

Especially at ONLY 8psi I mean come on thats not much power at all, you guys are just paranoid. I doubt I will break 220whp.

and sorry to anyone i offended,i am being a prick right now, i am mad and stuck at work 5 hours from home and all i can think about is getting the new motor in the car before it snows lol

 

[Blake]

N/A Blown
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123650248&highlight=zoom+boom

12 Psi With Timing Control!
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123644490&highlight=zoom+boom

STOCK BOOST, STOCK TIMING, NO MODS
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123630385&highlight=zoom+boom

10-11 Psi
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123630676&highlight=zoom+boom

 

[low_psi]

oh yea, I forgot the ZE manifold was different. any luck with pulling the motor?

 

[Blake]

ZE Mani does not have vtcs

 

[Shift_Lost]

All power to you!
Im a honda guy at heart, Preferably an H22 accord kinda guy not a Civic fan

and the h22 runs 10.1 or 11.1
I have heard numerous talk about boosting with that compression being HARD!

but you seem to atleast have a plan. so all the power to you, If i lived near you i would love to be involved. would like to see results.

POST PICS!

 

[Blake]

Lol, your saying that these guys don't have experience? LinuxRacr was one of the first to be boosted. He will tell you str8 up its not a good idea. Ive worked on cars my whole life, boosted and N/A I know what works, and the proof is in the pudding. Anytime I bring up evidence your just gonna say that they drive like morons. So good luck, its your money, I was just trying to help. You asked for it, and I'm done. But please don't post up slander, like I have no experience.

 

[Jaysanooch]

Sorry For Being A Bastard And Bashing People, But This Weak Rod bulls*** Stops Here. Unless Someone Can Show Me Evidence Of Someone Breaking A Rod At Less Than 250whp Properly Tuned With Supporting Mods Then Just Stop The Internet bulls***. Blkzoomzoom Made 200 Qm Passes Between 270-290whp Estimate, I Ran 14psi For 3 Years 100,00kms No Problems. Just Cause You People Dont Know s*** About Modding Your Car Doesnt Mean The Rods Cant Hold 250 Or Less. No More bulls*** Show Me Evidence Or Stfu.

I was all interested in your build but now...not so much. Hey good for you for trying something different...hope it works out but EASY THERE TOUGH GUY!!! Man the way your acting...I bet people including me are thinkin....he wants evidence ok then...keep up with this build and there's your damm evidence. Jeez!

 

[low_psi]

Blake, he's going to have to be careful with the boost level, but methanol injection is a big key here. Maybe I will do the calcs later today to compare effective compression between the DE and ZE pistons at various boost levels. I'm interested to see how they compare.

 

[Blackrose]

going to the leave the intake manifold for now, should not be holding me back as the fsze is the best fs IM you can get, if I ever take it apart ya I would port match.

The 626 Mani is the best "dyno proven" IM for the 3rd Gen Pro. I could be wrong.

 

[Blake]

I pray that it does work for his sake. But from the research ive done, and from what I've gathered, its not a good idea.

 

[Blackrose]

Blake, he's going to have to be careful with the boost level, but methanol injection is a big key here. Maybe I will do the calcs later today to compare effective compression between the DE and ZE pistons at various boost levels. I'm interested to see how they compare.

The meth injection is Huge. But it does make things more complicated. First you have to really know how much is needed when. Then you have to understand how Methy changes AFR readings and how to tune for that. Then you will need to get a Very very good tune on the car. I think w/o forged rods it will be risky, but doable. Just remeber to take your time while tuning it because you will have almost no room for error. And if you are going this route bigger injectors are a must. A standalone would be a good idea also.

I meet a guy about 3 moths ago at the track. He had a brand new SI with a 125 shot of N20 and a piggy back configured for it and that car was a monster. Yes i know FI and N20 are a bit different but we are talking about cylinder pressure here. It can be done.