Engine Oil Rise

[Canadian-ES-GT]

The 2.5 gasser route is the safe but boring route, and one that all other Japanese, American, and Korean manufacturers are taking. Mazda really has to distinguish themselves; I think the Diesel is the right route to show how they are different. It's what all German auto manufacturers are doing and everyone seems to want to copy them.

To avoid the class action lawsuit, Mazda should pay for every second or third oil change until they can find a fix. I think reducing the oil change intervals to 7.5k miles is a good idea. Now if Mazda can find a way to keep the oil from rising before you hit that mark, its got a somewhat permanent fix.

 

[ALafya]

The safe route for consumers is to get a gas engine for now.
Until when? the best possible scenario is that Mazda acknowledges the problem. It will then need to issue a recall and fix it to all existing owners. I currently think this is unlikely.
They might fix the issue under warranty only for owners which complain about it, but without announcing a defect. This would be a good outcome.
Another scenario is for Mazda to secretly fix the issue in all models after some build date, but continue their denial of a defect. If this happens, there will be a long period of time where owners will continue to complain and prospective buyers will not be able to tell the issue is fixed. Unfortunately, I think this is somewhat likely to happen.
Finally, Mazda can continue to describe this as an issue 'of very few owners' regardless of the real extent, for a really long time. Perhaps until a class-action lawsuit.

So, yeah, gas will be a 'boring' choice in the sense that oil changes happen when they are supposed to, owners don't need to anxiously check their dip-stick and there is no increased engine wear as a result of abnormal amount of diesel in the oil.

 

[pt00323i]

man, this sounds like VW's HPFP issues, right now VW claim only 1-2% of all Jetta/Golf sold, only few Tourage, Audi Q7, A3's, but this Skyactiv-D is on every car? that is just bad.

 

[CX-SV]

It's been real quiet here from Austrailia, which seems to be where most of the oil-rising problems have surfaced (maybe the diesel fuel formulation is different there?) The diesel owners have failed to report in for weeks or months on what's going on and progress to resolve the issue. A few months ago they had nothing but glowing reports to justify a very large purchase price premium paid for the diesel option, now nothing.

It would be nice to get an update...

 

[Canadian-ES-GT]

No news is good news. If it would have gotten worse, they would have complained online.

 

[ALafya]

The situation in Australia, AFAIK, is status-quo: oil *is* rising and Mazda is in denial, except for fix for the dip-stick.

 

[Morsa]

The same in Spain and France. Mazda deny any problem but they continue to change oil and filters at Mazda expenses only to "reassure customers".
Have you ever seen a company who spend money for this reason?.
New cases are emerging now and then, some they look the oil level first time when they read the forums, only to rush to the dealer to have their oil changed.

No news, in this issue, are bad news.

 

[CX-SV]

This issue just points out how expensive and complicated a truly clean diesel is (beyond the obvious significantly higher initial purchase price). No news is no news. Solution, still TBD.

 

[Morsa]

No news is no news cause there are not good news. At least for we who have a diesel and have paid more than 30k € for a car with an issue.
One friend of mine who got his CX-5 diesel on october was told by the dealer that his car arrives with the reprogrammation done in factory, same as apparently is being applied to us when the oil change. Mazda, was said too, is trying to reduce the oil increase until the scheduled oil change, that in Europe is 20.000 Kms, in a way that looks like test and error...
Meanwhile, silence.

 

[Canadian-ES-GT]

Hope they can find a solution soon. Would hate for this issue to reduce the life of the engine.

 

[Morsa]

So do I, but we must not deny the problem or minimize it.

 

[ridgey]

UPDATE2: Mazda Vienna told me OCT is the time when we can expect new mirrors to come resolving pretty annoying shaking

Miki,

A little off topic but did Mazda Vienna ever come through with a fix for the vibrating side mirrors?

Thanks

 

[ALafya]

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?r=36565422#r36565422

"It has 3 free oil changes since 10000 km service and probably should have had a fourth. Interestingly it didn't blow up in the first 10,000 km (where I never knew about the issue and checked the oil, as I was used to my last 4 new cars not requiring 1000 km oil checks )and obviously the oil level would have been a huge amount over the X based on the experience in the last 10000 km. ... I would be looking at my legal options in January."

 

[miki69]

Miki,

A little off topic but did Mazda Vienna ever come through with a fix for the vibrating side mirrors?

Thanks

I've replied to your PM mate. No, new info it's mid NOV (already is).....

Oil raise is a really annoying issue... especially if Mazda introduce in 18 months a Cx-5 redesign where this issue will be resolved miraculously (scratch) What would be current CX-5 resale value ??? With so many quirks: mirrors, hood, oil raise, squeaks and creaks here and there, this got unglued, this needs better insulation..... looks like half-baked product to me (and I paid close to 40k EUR). Maybe this whole skyactiv thing was bite too big to chew... Don't know why, but this situation reminds me of old Mercedes E class: upon introduction, this was by far the worse mercedes car with the most malfunctions on TUV list. Then they applied 'redesign" and all of a sudden it was topping reliability charts.

I'm thinking of making deal with Mazda now, whenever CX-5 redesign comes out, I should trade mine for some kick ass price (think of it as emotional pain they have cased us).


Cheers,
Miki

 

[Applauso]

I've not had ANY problems whatsoever. Kiss of death.....

 

[Morsa]

Applauso, what is an "Sport" CX-5. Not the same names in France or Spain. What engine and transmission?

 

[ridgey]

I've replied to your PM mate. No, new info it's mid NOV (already is).....

Oil raise is a really annoying issue... especially if Mazda introduce in 18 months a Cx-5 redesign where this issue will be resolved miraculously (scratch) What would be current CX-5 resale value ??? With so many quirks: mirrors, hood, oil raise, squeaks and creaks here and there, this got unglued, this needs better insulation..... looks like half-baked product to me (and I paid close to 40k EUR). Maybe this whole skyactiv thing was bite too big to chew...

I'm thinking of making deal with Mazda now, whenever CX-5 redesign comes out, I should trade mine for some kick ass price (think of it as emotional pain they have cased us).

Cheers,
Miki

Thanks for the info mate. Would appreciate it if you could let us know if you hear anything more about the mirrors.

I'm not giving up hope on the Cx5 yet. Things like the mirrors are only minor and should be an easy fix.

The big ticket item is the rising oil - I don't know what the outcome will be if this goes on unresolved for too much longer. A lot of people here getting fed up with the lack of communication from Mazda Australia...

 

[Applauso]

Applauso, what is an "Sport" CX-5. Not the same names in France or Spain. What engine and transmission?

The Sport is the UK top spec. However you can upgrade the Sport spec with a few extras if you want to. Mine is the 2.2 Diesel 2wd manual.

 

[Tomatosauce]

I have had 10K service done. Was advised by dealer that Mazda is coming with a fix for the problem soon. And they will get in touch. I had my oil changed at around 5.5K (km) - all other checks were just under X mark which is alarming still...

 

[CX-SV]

I have had 10K service done. Was advised by dealer that Mazda is coming with a fix for the problem soon. And they will get in touch. I had my oil changed at around 5.5K (km) - all other checks were just under X mark which is alarming still...

Thanks for the actual owner report from Australia. Let us know what your dealer says (since they are claiming that Mazda is coming with a fix soon). Agreed, the oil rising like that with associated dilution is somewhat alarming.