Do you consider the MS3 to be a real sports kar?

Do you consider the MS3 to be a real sports car?

  • Yes

    Votes: 87 40.7%
  • No

    Votes: 127 59.3%

  • Total voters
    214
I am starting to suspect that Ghost Rider is the last guy you want to get into a G37/MS3 debate with...

I agree with you, though. You can't take a family hatchback and make it faster and then call it a sports car. I mean, we had to reinforce the chasis to get it rigid enough to handle well. That's not something sports cars really have to do.

Good points H&A. Maybe I will have to reconsider my vote. The MS3 was not purpose built, they just added some good stuff to a regular 3 to make it fairly capable through the corners and straits.

Darn, now I have come to the realization that I really don't have a sports car and will be looking for the nearest bridge to jump off of...:mad:

Jeez...remember when the word "Sport" was stuck on all kinds of cars. Can't remember which one, but someone put out a mini-van with a "sport" model available. Always laugh when I see one.
 
Okay this is bothering me a bit… The Camry, Accord, Altima are nice and pretty quick but they aren’t in the same league when you look at performance from an overall standpoint. This really can’t be debated as the #’s (Skip pad, slalom, braking, acceleration, etc) speak for themselves, yes the #’s for the MS3 are all over the place because the car is sort of tricky to drive (launching, shift points, etc) I guarantee you these same cars (Camry, Accord, Altima) would also get thoroughly whipped by a MS3 on virtually any race track. Does this mean the MS3 is the world’s greatest sports car? Hell no, but to compare it to a Camry, Accord, and Altima and what have you is just plain ignorant unless we’re talking about V6 accord vs. MS3 on the drag strip perhaps and even then the outcome would be MS3’s favor all things being equal.

For the record I look at it as sports compact / tuner car but don’t see a problem in considering it sort of a budget sports car either as it's processes sports car credentials. Not only this but appearantely I'm paying "sports car" rates for my insurance!
 
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Okay this is bothering me a bit… The Camry, Accord, Altima are nice and pretty quick but they aren’t in the same league when you look at performance from an overall standpoint. This really can’t be debated as the #’s (Skip pad, slalom, braking, acceleration, etc) speak from themselves, yes the #’s for the MS3 are all over the place because the car is sort of tricky to drive (launching, shift points, etc) I guarantee you these same cars (Camry, Accord, Altima) would also get thoroughly whipped by a MS3 on virtually any race track. Does this mean the MS3 is the world’s greatest sports car? Hell no, but to compare it to a Camry, Accord, and Altima and what have you is just plain ignorant unless we’re talking about V6 accord vs. MS3 on the drag strip perhaps and even then the outcome would be MS3’s favor all things being equal.


I was just pointing out some problems using just numerical data as a reference point for this particular discussion. I am not arguing about track times, drag strips, etc. I was just using one commonly used aspect of a car's performance (0-60) to point out a flaw in your logic.

I actually agree with your last statement:

For the record I look at it as sports compact / tuner car but don’t see a problem in considering it sort of a budget sports car either as it's processes sports car credentials

There are enough qualifiers in here to make it palatable. Afterall, the MS3 surprised me the other night when an IS300 wasn't able to keep up. I bet it surprised him more though....

We both love our cars. That much is obvious.
(drinks)
 
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Okay this is bothering me a bit The Camry, Accord, Altima are nice and pretty quick but they arent in the same league when you look at performance from an overall standpoint. This really cant be debated as the #s (Skip pad, slalom, braking, acceleration, etc) speak from themselves, yes the #s for the MS3 are all over the place because the car is sort of tricky to drive (launching, shift points, etc) I guarantee you these same cars (Camry, Accord, Altima) would also get thoroughly whipped by a MS3 on virtually any race track. Does this mean the MS3 is the worlds greatest sports car? Hell no, but to compare it to a Camry, Accord, and Altima and what have you is just plain ignorant unless were talking about V6 accord vs. MS3 on the drag strip perhaps and even then the outcome would be MS3s favor all things being equal.


I was just pointing out some problems using just numerical data as a reference point for this particular discussion. I am not arguing about track times, drag strips, etc. I was just using one commonly used aspect of a car's performance (0-60) to point out a flaw in your logic.

I actually agree with your last statement:



There are enough qualifiers in here to make it palatable. Afterall, the MS3 surprised me the other night when an IS300 wasn't able to keep up. I bet it surprised him more though....

We both love our cars. That much is obvious.
(drinks)

Cheers (drinks)
 
Cheers back at you Ghost Rider!

Now I just need to get out of work to go get one!

Anybody have any performance info on a IS300? Just curious....

Nevermind... found it. And they aren't very impressive. Oh well, still felt good.
 
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Cheers back at you Ghost Rider!

Now I just need to get out of work to go get one!

Anybody have any performance info on a IS300? Just curious....

Nevermind... found it. And they aren't very impressive. Oh well, still felt good.

Off the top of my head they really aren't that quick. I believe 0-60 in about 6.5 secs and the 1/4 in 14.9 or so but they handle pretty well. I'll do some research in a bit.. Now the new IS350 is a lot faster! Leaving work now...
 
Cheers back at you Ghost Rider!

Now I just need to get out of work to go get one!

Anybody have any performance info on a IS300? Just curious....

Nevermind... found it. And they aren't very impressive. Oh well, still felt good.

IS300:

http://www.automallusa.net/2005/lexus/is300/reviews.html

The engine, using continuously variable valve timing, delivers keen acceleration. Of course, the sedan with the five-speed manual is quickest. According to Lexus, 0 to 60 mph acceleration times are 6.8 for the sedan 5MT, 7.3 for the sedan AT, and 7.4 seconds for the SportCross AT, and quarter-mile times are 15.1, 15.5, and 15.6 respectively.

You could probably squeeze a 14.9 out of one I suppose. It's about as fast / slow as a Civic si
 
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once again, performance in a straight line doesn't define a sports car. just because it is a sport compact doesn't mean it's a sports car. if so, i would call a sport utility a sports car. have you driven a cherokee SRT-8? 14 second 1/4 mile stock. still, just as much a sports car as it is a ******* monkey. i think that this is a really stupid discussion at this point. most of you are just trying to justify your car as something it is not. just make it what it is and nothing else.
 
once again, performance in a straight line doesn't define a sports car. just because it is a sport compact doesn't mean it's a sports car. if so, i would call a sport utility a sports car. have you driven a cherokee SRT-8? 14 second 1/4 mile stock. still, just as much a sports car as it is a ******* monkey. i think that this is a really stupid discussion at this point. most of you are just trying to justify your car as something it is not. just make it what it is and nothing else.

Says he whom drives the P5...

So having the performance criteria of a sports car (acceleration, braking, handling, etc) isn't enough? It's got to look like a Z06, etc..? I'm just curious... I've already stated I think of it as a sport compact and or tuner car but don't see a problem with classifying it as maybe a budget sports car given its performance numbers.

Oh and about your comment about straight line speed.. The MS3 is actually a better track car than it is a drag racer btw.
 
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No I do not consider it a sports car. It's definately bad ass but not a sports car. Like Mazda says, The SOUL of a sports car. It's a station wagon.
 
Says he whom drives the P5...

So having the performance criteria of a sports car (acceleration, braking, handling, etc) isn't enough? It's got to look like a Z06, etc..? I'm just curious... I've already stated I think of it as a sport compact and or tuner car but don't see a problem with classifying it as maybe a budget sports car given its performance numbers.

Oh and about your comment about straight line speed.. The MS3 is actually a better track car than it is a drag racer btw.

well, first of all. i am not sitting here saying that my p5 is a sports car. it is a sport compact. also, i drive an rx7 turbo II as my sports car. i would suggest to all of you that think you are driving a sports car; first, go and drive a real sports car and see what it feels like. second, get out of your ricer mentality because that's all that this is. you are a generation of car owners ruined by Fast and the Furious.

and about the track comment, how do you hit corners so well when you are torque steering? the car doesn't make a good drag racer because of the fact that it has traction problems.
 
Can't we all just agree that the MS3 is a hot hatchback?

If it's good enough for the GTI.......

besides, whats more fun to say:

Your sports car got smoked by my sports car

or

Your sports car got smoked by my hatchback!

(Drive2)
 
exactly. i am not trying to say that it is a terrible car. i think it is a nice car. it just isn't a sports car. it is a hot and fast sport compact.

Can't we all just agree that the MS3 is a hot hatchback?

If it's good enough for the GTI.......

besides, whats more fun to say:

Your sports car got smoked by my sports car

or

Your sports car got smoked by my hatchback!

(Drive2)
 
Bordeline Fanboism going down here...

American Heritage Dictionary - sports car
n. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.

5 passengers and trunk space = not a sports car
 
no it is not a sports car it has 4 doors

NOR is a Subaru Wrx of A Mitsubushi Lancer Evolution

All these cars are 4 door sedans for the most part, they just happen to have a little more hp than most 4 doors. They should be classified in the same class as an Audi S4 or the Audi A3, just 4 door sedan cars.

The term "sporty" may be given but they are by no means sports cars
 

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