Difference in Suspensions

RPMs are best for the MS6 (currently unavailable, check mazda 6 club for details). For the regular 6, I've heard good reports about the Eibachs. Check the sticky thread for all your options.
 
RPMs are best for the MS6 (currently unavailable, check mazda 6 club for details).

What I get from this thread is that there are no existing spring setups for the MSP6. Can't really claim that the best are RPM's since they don't exist, right? Or do they exist and initial production has sold out?

Anybody trying to do suspension mods that WORK - For less money than a Haynes manual:
http://www.soloperformance.com/Shop...Make+Your+Car+Handle/selection/0/Default.aspx

Hitting the bump stops at either end of the car is a really bad thing, and will put you in the trees or into the oncoming lane when you least expect it. Very aggressive spring rates are necessary when lowering to as much as 1.5" or more. More aggressive springs require more aggressive damping.

Mazda6 aftermarket, lowered springs applied to an MSP6, here's a rundown of what you might expect, based on armchair engineering estimates of weight distribution:

Any Mazda6 application - Springs will not work well with stock anti-roll bars since they are engineered for AWD configuration, and springs are for a FWD vehicle. Damping will be incorrect for reduced suspension travel, contributing to bottoming out, especially in rear. Ride height specification of springs will be innacurate due to different weight distribution on MSP6. 262 lbs is a LOT of weight to consider when setting up springs. Any Mazda6 spring set will produce increased, earlier understeer. Ability to controll over/understeer with the throttle will be greatly diminished, if not completely lost.

Mazda6i - Front rates might be ok, but rears will be too soft due to the added weight of the rear diff and axles. Expect more understeer much sooner in the corners. Severe bottoming in rear.

Mazda6s - Front rates (higher due to weight of V6) will be too firm and rears too soft. More understeer, and sooner than with 6i springs. Bottoming in rear same as with 6i set.

Any setup that changes the ride height and rates unequally will change the car's center of gravity and roll center. This will further adversely affect the anti-roll bars. What effect it has depends on the bias produced by the inequity of change. Rate changes should be equal percentage front & rear, and height changes using rate correct springs will be a trial & error process, and depend on the length of the spring. Info from everyone here running aftermarket springs could be compiled to try and match up springs from different sets. We'd need the specified rates and real-world height numbers from drop measurements on springs actually installed on MSP6's. If we got lucky we could actually stumble across a good combination.

I'd say that until a specific MSP6 aftermarket setup is available, effective spring mods will also take research into spring rates available for all the cars using the platform, providing the mounting hardware is uniform. Fords, Volvos and Mazdas use the same platform but are different weights, right? With a test car and funds to purchase the available springs or at least the likely candidates, a usable set could be assembled. Theoretically it could work. A lot of old school hotrod setups were worked out the same way. Production numbers of MSP6's might be low enough to discourage development of proper sets, and could leave us on our own or paying really high prices.
 
Very good post man. The reason the RPMs are unavailable right now are because they are doing the proper R&D. There goal was 2 sets, one with a 0.5" drop for use with stock struts/shocks and another with a 1.0" drop to be used with aftermarket struts/shocks. They started with stiffer rates and it has taken a few tries to get the height correct for front and rear.

Eibach on the other hand has just repackaged their Mazda6s (V6) springs and many other companies have followed suit not paying attention to the weight and drive train issues.

So other than RPM, the only other option I would consider would be the H&R coilovers which were also specifically tuned for the MS6 (note different part # on the H&R site and TireRack)....but they ain't cheap.

I'll also add that my situation with the Megans was complicated by the addition of 100lbs of audio gear in the back and my photo posted earlier was a very extreme case which most aftermarket companies probably wouldn't bother testing: a full load of passengers and luggage. The car suffered from slight oversteer when driven to its limits, something I really wasn't expecting since I don't consider myself an expert racer. ...but driven regular road conditions the car did not behave uncontrollably, it just bounced around alot off the bump stops. The Mazda6 suspension (speed or not) simply doesn't have the travel to support a 2" drop.
 
Just out of curiosity and I don't want to sound like a dick when I say this, but:

Do any of you actually track the Speed6, it's great to mention that their aren't any "designed" springs or suspensions for the Speed6 but does it really matter for your personal application. If you don't "race" the car then it really doesn't matter, as long as it looks good which is what 90% of people are looking for.

3+5 your info is correct but you fail to compare the wagon springs which I think would best for the Speed6. Here's my reasoning:

Front
I4 + Turbo + AWD Tranmission = V6

Rear
Wagon = AWD

Again though I've been searching for the "best" setup for the regular 6 and I've been through 4 suspensions. The only way to go would be to get the Ground Control setup so you can get any spring rate you want, but there isn't much interest so I don't see why you are chasing a never ending battle, of finding the best Speed6 setup.

The Ground Control setup would be best for the Speed6 because you can order then with any rate, so it's not a issue about what's best; you "design" your own suspension when ordering, not to mention you can always get stiffer or softer springs later on.

My thought's on coilovers: They are dumb for 99% of people. They are designed so you can corner balance your car, yet NO ONE DOES, so why pay extra money for nothing when Eibach or Tein does it for you with there out of the box springs.

Bumpstops:

The 6 does have enough travel, just remove the bumpstops, the problem you run into is that the springs are too soft for ANY Mazda6. I'm on the Sportlines right now and they are about as stiff as it gets if not the stiffest springs for the 6 and I think they are way too soft, yet the car performs better with these then it did on coilovers.
 
FOUND SOMETHING:

TEIN has the following parts:

ATENZA I4 AWD WAGON
Basic Coil overs: GSM52-J1AS2
S-TECH:
H-TECH:

ATENZA I4 WAGON
Basic Coil overs: GSM52-J1AS2
SS Coil overs: DSM52-91AS3
S-TECH:
H-TECH:

The I4 AWD Wagon would be the way to go for the Speed6 and get a tad of over steer.

(The website was having some errors and I couldn't get the PN for the for Springs)
 
Good looks are important, but ride comfort is also important. Any ride is manageable as long as you can keep the car away from the bump stops. I'd be interested in riding in someone's car who has the Eibachs, but as mentioned before they were designed for the regular 6 and the additional weight just means they will ride a little lower in the back but the spring rate may be just fine for everyday performance. As far as "tracking" with the Eibachs, I believe the spring rate is actually softer than the stock Mazdaspeed6 springs so you are better off spending your money on a stiffer sway bar.

A note about the bump stops...the rear of the 6 has your typical foam cone-shaped bump stops and it has a rubber stopper which signals the end of travel for the spring cup. If you cut more than an inch off the the bump stops the car will easily bang against the rubber stopper. This is what was happening in my car with the Megans. I took them off yesterday and could see the obvious clean markings where the rubber stoppers were making contact regularly.
 
I heard from RPM a while ago and they told me that the MS6 RPM springs were "3-4 weeks away". That was 4 weeks ago. So hopefully we should be seeing those springs advertised on their site soon. I hope they brought in lots of stock, because it looks like several of us are waiting on them.
 
3+5 your info is correct but you fail to compare the wagon springs which I think would best for the Speed6. Here's my reasoning:

Seem like a dick? Not at all, Mazda6smtx. I didn't forget to consider the wagon, just didn't know there were aftermaket setups for them. The ideas you bring up are exactly what I was talking about.

I don't track my MSP6, but I do auto-x it. I have done no mods, since it already has a great suspension for the job, and stepping into suspension mods would put me in a class where I'd have to spend major $$ more than that to remain competetive. Lowering doesn't really appeal to me, but I'm interested in the problem of lowering a MSP6 effectively, enhancing the handling, rather than diminishing those good qualities.

Maybe 90% of those lowering are doing so for looks alone, but why make the car a tank at the same time if you don't have to? This car is fast, I don't want a half-baked suspension under me on the street when I wanna really motivate or get out of some pinch.
 
There was a group buy for custom setup HSD coilovers on the other Mazda6 forum...

The RPM springs come in three flavors... sport, street and race. Sport are an even .5" drop front and rear. Street drop the front a little more for an "even gap" in the front and rear (same spring rate as sport springs). Race springs will give around the same drop as the sport springs, but with a higher spring rate which requires a shock upgrade. The spring rate for the sport was somewhat based on the autoexe low-down springs (another MS6 specific options), but with a higher spring rate in the rear.

I have the sport springs from the inital pre-production set. The .5" drop gives the car a factory modded aggressive look... lower than stock, but not too low. The ride is stiffer, but doesn't skitter/skip across rough roads like stock. Handling... less bodyroll and the car is loving the sweeping highway onramps. I love the springs and do recommend them.

For better details onthe specific spring rates and such... check the RPM spring thread on the other forum.
 
Autoexe is the way I'm gonna go when I get springs. As far as I've seen they have the best spring rate (380 for front and 290 for rear) and lower it but not to the point where you will bottom out on every speed bump or drive way. They are the most expensive though but you get what you pay for. Autoexe is definitely a Speed6 specific dealer.
 
yea def do that, try and get some install pics too if ya can, would be great help...cant wait to hear how those go
 

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