Dealer Denying Smoking Turbo Repair

People are going to jump all over my ass for what I'm about to say, but I think it needs to be said:

We are no better than Mazda if we "unmod" a car before taking it in for waranty work. It is fraud, plain and simple.

Yes, Mazda screwed up with the PCV system on this car and they need to step up, admit the mistake, make a retroactive and proper fix through TSB or outright recall. They'll probably never do it.

We do have rights under Magnusen-Moss and under most state consumer protectection laws. It is difficult and expensive to enforce those rights.

I think I can speak with some honesty on this point, as I do have intake mod (albeit a MSCAI), but more importantly I am totally voided under my engine warranty and maybe entire drive train for the catless dp/rp.

That's a conscious decision I made. When making these type of mods, it is truly "pay to play." If we are not willing to pay, we should not try to escape our role in contributing to the problem through mods that are likely to make the smoking worse, like my catless dp/rp.

These are high performance cars. Manufacturers and dealers know we drive the piss out of them, mod them to the hilt, frequently race them and that we are going to wear them out faster than the general public. They also know they sell most of them to male drivers under age 30 who statistically are going to be much harder on a car. It's a fact. They are skeptical of warranty claims and I'm not sure that skepticism is unfounded.

BTW: I do have a catch can. I'm not sure that it is really a part of the fix, but it does seem to be beneficial. I get almost no "smoke" 95% of the time, and only a brief amount if I let the car sit at idle for a long time.

This MS3 is the fifth turbo car I've owned. Three Saabs and a Volvo before. All purchased new. I modded all of them soon after purchase, including catless downpipes and in some instances, aftermarket ECU's with higher boost levels. I drove all of them hard, frequently seeing triple digits on the speedometer. To one degree or another, they all "smoked" soon after the catless dp mods. None of them had turbo failures or engine failures, however, except for one car I kept for over 100,000 miles. It did develop turbo shaft wear at a bit north of 80,000 miles. I ordered a rebuild kit and rebuilt it myself.

I did break an engine mount on one of the Saabs the first month I owned it -- during a hard launch at the dragstrip! My dealer did replace the mount under warranty. I told them what happened and they did this as a customer courtesy. They wanted to keep my business. They did not have to, and I know that.

If we are going to complain about the problem with the PCV system, let's at least be honest with our mods when we return to the dealer and be prepared to pay to play when we mod.
 
The dealership itself didn't have to prove it. The Mazdaspeed community proved it for them when PTP released their "engineering analysis" of their smoking turbo fix. It clearly states that the reduced backpressure from a downpipe directly causes oil blow-by.

BINGO... It is not the job of the dealership to prove it. They just have to have reasonable cause. It would be then your job to prove them wrong.
 
BINGO... It is not the job of the dealership to prove it. They just have to have reasonable cause. It would be then your job to prove them wrong.
Well, by the letter of the law, it really is up to them to prove it... All I'm saying is that they won't, because the law is near unenforceable and in most situations, people would lose in court anyway.
 
The people who say "the dealer CAN'T deny warranty because of... " are almost always speaking in theory only. Real world experience says otherwise.
Getting a lawyer and suing over $700 in repair work is NOT real world. Duh.
 
The people who say "the dealer CAN'T deny warranty because of... " are almost always speaking in theory only. Real world experience says otherwise.
Getting a lawyer and suing over $700 in repair work is NOT real world. Duh.

+1. Not to mention the legal fees in getting your warranty back from the "blacklist".
 
We have no such coverage up here north of the border and so, are under no illusion that Mazda will pick up the tab if we break our s*** by modifying it.

My best "warranty" is in my 10 little piggies performing regular maintenance and my melon helping me avoid mostly obvious hazards.
 
Don't know if this was mentioned b4 or not, but why not just put it back to stock setup, then take it to another Mazda dealers in another city.
 
We have no such coverage up here north of the border and so, are under no illusion that Mazda will pick up the tab if we break our s*** by modifying it.

My best "warranty" is in my 10 little piggies performing regular maintenance and my melon helping me avoid mostly obvious hazards.

you mod with your feet? Im impressed lol
 
Fyck a duck! I've seen alot of blowups at the track, had a few myself. That's a good one though. That guy is lucky he didn't end up being fragged. Maybe no such a good idea to put a stock-style trans BH and clutch behind built LS7 motor, hmmmm.
 
ive heard gm has had some issues.....was it this?
shrapnel can kill...

GM Clutches suck

WOW that's a crazy vid.

This is getting OT however, two words - Lakewood Bellhousing.
Always had fears about this with my last car because I didn't have one and well......I like my feet. I did have an SFI billet steel flywheel. I did not have 620hp, only 480 and it was Ford, not GM, but it still was on my mind.

To the OP, personally I would stick with the PT mod, drive the car and see how it goes. I would consult with the techs at PT Performance too. You may find you have oil in the intake and the TMIC and that might take awhile to clear out.

As for Mazda and their warranty, screw them.
Any real pursuit is going to cost you more money in litigation than it's worth IMO and that money would likely be better spent toward fixing the problem with the car and improving it at the same time. You could dump thousands on lawyer with no guarantee of results, or you could dump thousands on a vendor like Race Roots for example and be much happier!
 
OT: I used a blanket and a Centreforce Dual Friction on my 5.0 supercharged. The Lakewood pissed me off with too many fitment issues in similar applications. (unamused)

I put the PT PCV "fix" in just before I put my DP/RP on. It didn't smoke before and it still doesn't now. I also switched to 10W40 oil in the car. Hardly incontrovertible evidence but, it's working for me so far.

If it ever smokes, I'll pull the damn turbo and rebuild it with proper seals myself.
 
OT: I used a blanket and a Centreforce Dual Friction on my 5.0 supercharged. The Lakewood pissed me off with too many fitment issues in similar applications. (unamused)

I put the PT PCV "fix" in just before I put my DP/RP on. It didn't smoke before and it still doesn't now. I also switched to 10W40 oil in the car. Hardly incontrovertible evidence but, it's working for me so far.

If it ever smokes, I'll pull the damn turbo and rebuild it with proper seals myself.

Ah yes...blanket = WAY lighter and easier to install. Have heard similar complaints about Lakewood and alignment issues with starter, pilot bearing, etc.

I am considering the PT fix and my car only has around 8500 on it. Don't see any harm in it and the dealer will never see it anyway.
 
I got the PT fix and installed it about 3 weeks ago. I still smoke as bad as ever. I hope it's just leftover oil but I'm getting nervous....
 
Once the seal in the turbo is toasted, you can't go back. When I used to dismantle turbos to rebuild them, the coking around the area prevented any possibility of a seal. Oil getting between the seal and the sealing surface overheats the seal and the entire area, aggravating the leak.

That said, often times when I rebuilt a turbo, there wasn't anything wrong with it. Most times it was a bad engine it was attached to that was the issue. You can tell this by the amount of oil residue on the hot side of the turbo.
 
i have a STOCK 06 speed6 and had the "smoking turbo" twice. the first time was at 45k miles. it was repaired and covered under the warranty. the reason for the smoke was due to the gaskets in the turbo failing. the same thing happened again at 30k miles. this is when mazda decided NOT to cover the repair and i even went thru mazda customer service(to the highest level of escalation)and they told me "your vehicle has too many miles". i went back and forth for about 3mths over this issue b/c the parts failure has nothing to do w/the mileage on my vehicle.this is assuming that the gasket replacement was the proper action. my service said a definite fix would be to replace the turbo and we all know that's REAL cheap to do! so...yeah mazda told me to o f*** myself w/my stock vehicle. this all occured around April of 09 and since i've added the HKS ssq blow-off valve w/the CPE flange and i'm debating the turbo replacement and carefully planning out my mods(really not looking for any more surprise problems).
 
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My wife and I are looking at replacing her sedan with a sport-ute or crossover of some type. I have written the Mazda brand off our list. I'm looking at Infinity, Acura, and Subaru right now, and I might even test drive a Ford.
 

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