Deactivate the you're too close auto brake "feature"

If in that situation, with your foot on the accelerator and steering into the next lane, your signal should be on. Having the signal on cancels the lane departure warnings (as @GAXIBM mentioned), so maybe it also cancels the automatic emergency braking in that scenario too? I don't know for sure. But it would make sense for the system to use that info to determine what the driver's intent is, in addition to steering and acceleration input.
My turn signal was on, and as GAXIBM detailed, Mazda states the system may not operate. It does not state that it cancels the system. The programming for each function seems to have been tested individually for each of the functions and the way they integrate with each other and driver inputs was not tested thoroughly enough. This issue with Mazda's software coding of different functions not being well tested for their integrated performance is not limited to the safety systems. It also rears its head in other areas, for example: https://mazdas247.com/forum/t/car-jiggles-after-30-sec-at-stoplight.123875951/
 

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My turn signal was on, and as GAXIBM detailed, Mazda states the system may not operate. It does not state that it cancels the system. The programming for each function seems to have been tested individually for each of the functions and the way they integrate with each other and driver inputs was not tested thoroughly enough. This issue with Mazda's software coding of different functions not being well tested for their integrated performance is not limited to the safety systems. It also rears its head in other areas, for example: https://mazdas247.com/forum/t/car-jiggles-after-30-sec-at-stoplight.123875951/

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Turn signal wasn't mentioned originally which is why I asked. You may be right about the programming and testing, but I'm not sure there's any way to find out for sure. One thing we do know is that some people have issues, and many do not (or simply don't consider it to be an issue). As "enthusiasts", we're a lot more sensitive to what we drive compared to those who think of their vehicles as A-B modes of transport.

I'd recommend that you contact your dealer/Mazda Corporate and voice your concern. In addition, you could also file a report with the NHTSA citing a safety hazard. Companies rely on feedback like this to make future changes to new models (and possibly retroactive changes to older or existing models as well). Maybe if there are enough complaints, some changes will be made. We already know that these complaints do not always fall on deaf ears, at least with Mazda - the revised seats in the Gen2 CX-5 facelifted models is evidence of that.
 
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Had another experience with the system this morning. Accelerating to merge into a gap in the lane to my left before reaching a stopped vehicle partially blocking the right lane. As I start accelerating and moving left, the car decided a collision was imminent with the vehicle partially in the lane ahead of me that I was already moving to the left of, and applied to brake. Luckily there was plenty of space and this didn't cause an incident, but it made the situation less safe since it takes no account for the approaching vehicle behind, on top of the fact that it's slow to recognize that the car ahead is no longer directly in front of me.

They really need to have the yellow warning light on the dash activate when the system is enabled, instead of when it is disabled. For anyone who is actually paying attention while they are driving, I think it makes the car less safe. Sure, maybe it's great for people who aren't paying attention and might stop them from running directly into someone in front of them, but I don't think I should have to have a warning light on my dash if I choose to disable a flawed system, which it what I plan to do now.
how far from the stopped vehicle would you say you were when it applied brakes? did you also get an indication from the distance monitoring system before brakes kicked in?
 
Ok, thanks for the clarification. Turn signal wasn't mentioned originally which is why I asked. You may be right about the programming and testing, but I'm not sure there's any way to find out for sure. One thing we do know is that some people have issues, and many do not (or simply don't consider it to be an issue). As "enthusiasts", we're a lot more sensitive to what we drive compared to those who think of their vehicles as A-B modes of transport.

I'd recommend that you contact your dealer/Mazda Corporate and voice your concern. In addition, you could also file a report with the NHTSA citing a safety hazard. Companies rely on feedback like this to make future changes to new models (and possibly retroactive changes to older or existing models as well). Maybe if there are enough complaints, some changes will be made. We already know that these complaints do not always fall on deaf ears, at least with Mazda - the revised seats in the Gen2 CX-5 facelifted models is evidence of that.
Oh I know I'm much more sensitive to small nuances than the average driver. I've already voiced my concerns and am awaiting a response from Mazda Corporate. I will look into filing a report with the NHTSA as I do believe in this case it was a safety hazard.
 
how far from the stopped vehicle would you say you were when it applied brakes? did you also get an indication from the distance monitoring system before brakes kicked in?
I'd estimate I was about 50 feet away from the stopped vehicle, but it was also no longer directly in front of any portion of my car. It was 1/4 of the way into my lane and I was already 1/2 way out of my lane when it applied the brakes. No alert prior to it flashing BRAKE! and applying the brake itself simultaneously or within a split second if it was not at exactly the same moment.
 

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There is no question these systems are overhyped in the industry. Cadillac evidently wants you smiling with your hands off the wheel given their recent ads. Don't get me started on Tesla, the king of overhype. Mazda is more sensible.

In the case of Mazda, its safety system approach is conservative and consistent. Consider radar cruise vis a vis auto braking. In radar cruise, as you pass a vehicle moving slower than the set point, with signal on, wheel turned, vehicle clearly directed to the left lane, the vehicle will not auto accelerate until you are almost entirely in the left lane. It's the opposite corollary of auto braking. The vehicle is saying if it and you continue to do what you are doing you may hit that guy if he slams on his brakes.

My experience is you must be driving aggressively to have auto braking engage as somebody in front is making a right turn. The system squawks first if audible is turned on and if there is no driver reaction then it brakes. I live in the Land of Parking in the Road, surrounded by 50 - 55 mph two lane blacktops with narrow shoulders, cars and work vehicles constantly hanging out in the lanes and obviously people are also making right turns. I rarely have the vehicle squawk at me, and I've yet to have it auto brake in these scenarios, only once at very low speed, a different animal. That's with the medium distance setting. In the rare instance when it has squawked, I assess that the system is, again, guarding against the guy in front who is turning right suddenly stopping in the road. I reserve my aggressive driving to clear roads, others may not.

You know, if you have all the safety settings at the least conservative level and you still find them intrusive, there is a possible answer. In the Settings --> Safety touch screen menus, there is a check box at the top next to "System" in each. There may be a reference to these check boxes in the manual but I'm not finding them offhand; the intuitive conclusion is those boxes can be unchecked to turn the systems off entirely. Try that. I wouldn't recommend it, but again I'm not your mother.
 
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HardRightEdg

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Oh I know I'm much more sensitive to small nuances than the average driver. I've already voiced my concerns and am awaiting a response from Mazda Corporate. I will look into filing a report with the NHTSA as I do believe in this case it was a safety hazard.
Mazda may express some sympathy without actually doing anything about it, expecting you to adapt to your tool. I seriously doubt the NHTSA will be too interested if the "System" check box at the top of each safety system menu are what they appear to be. If you can switch them off entirely while these systems are not mandated in the first place, the vehicle does not have an inherent safety defect. Just turn the systems off if you do not like how they behave.

Personally, I find the behavior of radar cruise to be sketchy if one leaves it to its own devices. I don't even want to test what would happen if I get back into a right lane in range of a slower moving vehicle in front without a lot of space behind me either, something I would do to get the h*ll out of the way of some NASCAR wannabe who's barreled up on my bumper. Would my vehicle hit the brakes and risk me getting rear ended in that scenerio? Dunno, don't wanno know. But I'm not required to use it.

These systems are not going to be all things to all people in all circumstances. And the event horizon for true autonomous driving is a lot farther off then the industry would want you to believe.
 
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There is no question these systems are overhyped in the industry. Cadillac evidently wants you smiling with your hands off the wheel given their recent ads. Don't get me started on Tesla, the king of overhype. Mazda is more sensible.

In the case of Mazda, its safety system approach is conservative and consistent. Consider radar cruise vis a vis auto braking. In radar cruise, as you pass a vehicle moving slower than the set point, with signal on, wheel turned, vehicle clearly directed to the left lane, the vehicle will not auto accelerate until you are almost entirely in the left lane. It's the opposite corollary of auto braking. The vehicle is saying if you continue to do what you are doing you may hit that guy if he slams on his brakes.

My experience is you must be driving aggressively to have auto braking engage as somebody in front is making a right turn. The system squawks first if audible is turned on and if there is no driver reaction then it brakes. I live in the Land of Parking in the Road, surrounded by 50 - 55 mph two lane blacktops with narrow shoulders, cars and work vehicles constantly hanging out in the lanes and obviously people are also making right turns. I rarely have the vehicle squawk at me, and I've yet to have it auto brake in these scenarios, only once at very low speed, a different animal. That's with the medium distance setting. In the rare instance when it has squawked, I assess that the system is, again, guarding against the guy in front who is turning right suddenly stopping in the road. I reserve my aggressive driving to clear roads, others may not.

You know, if you have all the safety settings at the least conservative level and you still find them intrusive, there is a possible answer. In the Settings --> Safety touch screen menus, there is a check box at the top next to "System" in each. There may be a reference to these check boxes in the manual but I'm not finding them offhand, but the intuitive conclusion is those boxes can be checked off to turn the systems off entirely. Try that. I wouldn't recommend it, but again I'm not your mother.
Thanks, I already tested out those check boxes and they result in dash warning lights, which I prefer not having on. This has been the first instance where I would call it intrusive so I am debating whether or not I'd prefer to have the systems off completely. I've never been in an accident with or without these systems, so I don't feel like I need it, but I'd also like to have it still enabled for the always possible unexpected situation. I'm leaning towards just continuing to observe to see if this was just an aberration due to a confluence of factors, or if the system really is more of a detriment than benefit.
 

HardRightEdg

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If in that situation, with your foot on the accelerator and steering into the next lane, your signal should be on. Having the signal on cancels the lane departure warnings (as @GAXIBM mentioned), so maybe it also cancels the automatic emergency braking in that scenario too? I don't know for sure. But it would make sense for the system to use that info to determine what the driver's intent is, in addition to steering and acceleration input.
I think you already hit upon one solution is post #26 above. Picture that guy slamming on the brakes before he completes the turn (a pedestrian or animal crossing in front or whatnot) while you continue to do what you're in the habit of doing without the adjustments you indicate. Yup, the system will squawk and brake. If you do make the adjustments you indicate I am confident the alarm sounding or the brakes engaging will be a rare occurrence.

Or turn the system off. I mean how intrusive is the little orange icon on the speedometer, really? In short order you'd pretty accustomed to it; in a while with it always on you'd probably stop noticing it altogether, a normal operating indicator.

It's pretty evident these systems are tuned to conservative, defensive modes. If you want to drive aggressively with other vehicles in the vicinity, turn them off. There's something for everybody, kinda sorta almost.
 
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