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I'm so excited to hear about all the great plans you have for the ms6/ms3!! thanks for all the updates!!
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www.cp-e.com said:
I should have clairfied that I ment the PnP unit. I thought a PnP piggyback plugged into the OBD-II port?? Piggyback tuning is completley new to me so sorry if this is a dumb question. I really don't want to make any changes that the dealer will notice, ie tapping into wires. I still have 35,000 miles left on the 'ol warranty.
The only reason I asked this question is for custom tuning purposes. Like being able to have the piggyback installed and still use a scan tool to read real time engine data. Sorry for the 20 questions. Thanks for the honest answers.
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RevLimitLaunch
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jdub260 said:I should have clairfied that I ment the PnP unit. I thought a PnP piggyback plugged into the OBD-II port?? Piggyback tuning is completley new to me so sorry if this is a dumb question. I really don't want to make any changes that the dealer will notice, ie tapping into wires. I still have 35,000 miles left on the 'ol warranty.
the cobb accessport plugs directly into your obd port i know that. the cpe goes inline with the ecu, with pnp (obviously) you wont have to worry about tapping into existing wires. lol, im in the same situation about the warranty ordeal so i cant wait for it to come out.
VinnieBeachbum
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well soon enough I won't have to worry about the stupid warranty shitz. They may be revokin mine. I will find out tommorow. <blah>
I have a buddy with an '06 STI and he was forced to sign a waiver that stated all future warranty repairs on his car would be a the discretion of subaru. Otherwise they were not going to do warranty work ever again. His lawyer told him that subaru was in the right and he should sign the waiver. They found out that he had been racing the car. He posted an article on scooby tuner and the factory service tech found it. Bad luck I guess.wannabe said:
RevLimitLaunch
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yeah i've heard stories bout this sort of stuff too on an evo forum. dude posted a video and pics on his myspace of him raping his car on the autocross track and drag...warranty was cut off supposedly for anything dealing with the powertrain.
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jdub260 said:I should have clairfied that I ment the PnP unit. I thought a PnP piggyback plugged into the OBD-II port?? Piggyback tuning is completley new to me so sorry if this is a dumb question. I really don't want to make any changes that the dealer will notice, ie tapping into wires. I still have 35,000 miles left on the 'ol warranty.
Hey, answering questions is part of my job!
The piggyback in PnP guise does not plug into the OBD port. There will be a plug that goes into the piggyback, and a harness going out. The plug going in is where the wiring harness that goes to the ECU will plug into the piggyback. Then, another harness will exit the piggyback and plug directly into the ECU. In order to do this, you need a male and female version of the ECU harness connector, which is what we're waiting on. I hope that makes more sense.
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flyrevs said:
No problem
We don't really get updates on the PnP connectors. We have a few companies who are trying to identify and source the connectors. If they have luck, they'll contact us. It kind of stinks, but we have to play a waiting game
If things go well at our dyno appointment next week, then the piggyback release shouldn't be long after that. We'll also release the dyno numbers and full description of the piggyback. Ballpark, we're talking two to three weeks from this moment.
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RevLimitLaunch
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is there going to be any sort of datalogging function thru connection with a laptop at all or any device?
Exciting News!!!!! Can't wait !!!www.cp-e.com said:No problem
We don't really get updates on the PnP connectors. We have a few companies who are trying to identify and source the connectors. If they have luck, they'll contact us. It kind of stinks, but we have to play a waiting game
If things go well at our dyno appointment next week, then the piggyback release shouldn't be long after that. We'll also release the dyno numbers and full description of the piggyback. Ballpark, we're talking two to three weeks from this moment.
Jordan
Thanks, you guys rock...........
VinnieBeachbum
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got a P/N? or anything I can try to see if the navy stock system has it!!! hahahahahha it probably does believe it or not
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The hard part of the dang connectors is deciphering the little logo on them.
Once the logo is matched with the little company in where-ever-land, then you have a start. The little guy who makes the connectors is usually a better or cheaper way to go than trying to source things through the manufacturer, in this case Mazda.
This same issue happened with the Protege. The only known source was Mazda, no one figured out who the supplier was for the ECU connectors. Mazda wanted bank for each friggin' connector. No market for the plug and play stuff until the MSP gained enough popularity for Unichip to do something. Anyway, long story.
Once the logo is matched with the little company in where-ever-land, then you have a start. The little guy who makes the connectors is usually a better or cheaper way to go than trying to source things through the manufacturer, in this case Mazda.
This same issue happened with the Protege. The only known source was Mazda, no one figured out who the supplier was for the ECU connectors. Mazda wanted bank for each friggin' connector. No market for the plug and play stuff until the MSP gained enough popularity for Unichip to do something. Anyway, long story.
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RevLimitLaunch said:
You bet
. You need a laptop in order to datalog, but you can record anything from MAF voltage, MAP pressure, TPS, RPM, Injector duty cycle, wastegate duty cycle, ignition timing...the list is pretty substantial.We'll have a full list of all the piggyback's capabilities once we release it.
flyrevs said:Exciting News!!!!! Can't wait !!!
Thanks, you guys rock...........
Thanks boss
VinnieBeachbum said:
That's actually the hard part we're working on
StuttersC said:
The funny thing is, we know what company sells the connectors, they just have very little motivation to help us out at this point, just like you said. But we're still working on it, and we may strike gold. If we do, we'll let everyone know asap.
Jordan
Hey Jordan,
You seem to be very active in this section and I don't mean to cross polinate the community subject matter but I just have a quick question for you regarding your Speed3 campaign which I am pretty well committed to.
Between the CAI, turbo back exhaust, MZR hybrid turbo, FMIC, engine management, etc.
At what point would you recommend considering forged pistons and further engine rebuilding?
It seems like cp-e intends bolt-on operation with no internal mods to support higher boost and leaner fuel mixtures which is only my perception of the website and my knowledge with regard to the limits of the MZR powerplant is limited even among the techs we have here.
You seem to be very active in this section and I don't mean to cross polinate the community subject matter but I just have a quick question for you regarding your Speed3 campaign which I am pretty well committed to.
Between the CAI, turbo back exhaust, MZR hybrid turbo, FMIC, engine management, etc.
At what point would you recommend considering forged pistons and further engine rebuilding?
It seems like cp-e intends bolt-on operation with no internal mods to support higher boost and leaner fuel mixtures which is only my perception of the website and my knowledge with regard to the limits of the MZR powerplant is limited even among the techs we have here.
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flyrevs said:
People were speculating that Mazda has an agreement preventing them from selling them no matter what the price.
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www.cp-e.com said:
Nice...Did they give a reason?
desperado-c said:
That sounds like something Mazda would do. If they won't even help out the teams that race the cars, why not shut down the source of the connectors?
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flyrevs said:
Hah, you're not kidding, but we only wish it were that easy. We can't even get the company reps on the phone sometimes. We've offered to buy as many as 5000 at a time (about the same as a production cycle for Mazda) with no luck. Either they have no motivation to do business with the aftermarket, or Mazda is keeping them quiet. But your guess is as good as mine right now. But I think I've mentioned before that if this avenue doesn't work out, we have other options. I guess we'll see...
sixerjdm said:
I like questions like these (ones with no real "right answer"
), and I'll be happy to discuss this in detail with you if you PM me. Someone just called us the other day to let us know that they threw a rod out the side of their block. This is the first I have heard of anyone blowing up a turbocharged MZR. I have no information about what the guy was doing when it blew up. He's getting it checked out by the dealer, so maybe we'll have more information about it soon. But personally, I'd want a built bottom end for any serious drag racing or track use, regardless of the power levels. But for just farting around on the streets, I think this bottom end is good for around 300-325whp. The pistons are the weak link IMHO.
And you're right in that we typically deal with bolt-on parts and avoid power adders. But we're changing, and we even have plans for a turbo upgrade for the SPEED3/6 that should be released by summer time. (yes)
Jordan
