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guys this really isnt an appropriate place to discuss this, just find stuff on yahoo 
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Bijou-MP5 said:
As I've said before to other people.....don't start a thread about illegal activity and expect that people won't come and call "dumbass" on you. Do you not think there are people on this forum who work in the software or gaming industry? You just piss in their faces when you make posts about where you can steal their products from.
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- 2001 Mazda MP3
lets just stop. its really not a thing to be discussed on the boards.
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pdhaudio said:
I agree completely......it's unfortunate that this even comes up as a topic. We as Mazda owners scream and holler and have each others backs when someone so much as steals a valve stem cap from a fellow members car but some have no problem stealing property their employers and putting them out of a job. Quite disgusting.
enry
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If my friend wants a Mazdaspeed, but can't affort it, and I lend it to him whenever he wants, am I depriving Mazda of income, amd I <b>stealing</b> from mazda? "Obviously not, enry, don't be so silly. You own your car and can do whatever you want with it anyone can drive it."
Yet, if I have Office XP (which I own the Dev edition- 500 USD) installed on my desktop, I cannot legally install it on my laptop. Even though the laws of physics state I cannot be physically in 2 places at the same time, I still cannot install it legally without cracking it. I own about 30 recent PC games. Most of them have a CD check. I like the fact that I can get a No-CD crack and not have to lug the CD around everywhere I go. You see, I purchased a beefy laptop recently and I use it to play my games. Am I a criminal for choosing not to lug around 20 CDs which may get damaged? I hate the new WPA of XP. I own all the software, some full retail and several OEM with systems, yet, if I choose to bypass it, because I don't like my computer "checking in" with Microshizzle, should I be arrested for making fair use of software I own?
That's my 2 cents.
Keep this discussion civil or we will move it to the flamewars.
Yet, if I have Office XP (which I own the Dev edition- 500 USD) installed on my desktop, I cannot legally install it on my laptop. Even though the laws of physics state I cannot be physically in 2 places at the same time, I still cannot install it legally without cracking it. I own about 30 recent PC games. Most of them have a CD check. I like the fact that I can get a No-CD crack and not have to lug the CD around everywhere I go. You see, I purchased a beefy laptop recently and I use it to play my games. Am I a criminal for choosing not to lug around 20 CDs which may get damaged? I hate the new WPA of XP. I own all the software, some full retail and several OEM with systems, yet, if I choose to bypass it, because I don't like my computer "checking in" with Microshizzle, should I be arrested for making fair use of software I own?
That's my 2 cents.
Keep this discussion civil or we will move it to the flamewars.
loj68 said:
Ok, gonna be civilish here.
Did you miss the whole anti-trust suit against the recording industry and Microsoft? Since you know so much about stealing software and it being wrong I don't see how. They died down when President-Select Bush appointed John Ashcroft as the AG. And price fixing in the music industry has been a problem for years, every economic study done has found that CD prices are artificially inflated by collusion behavior in the record industry.
Also, once again, what percentage of people stealing software do you think actually get caught? It is less than 1%. What percentage of people who steal a Bentley (or a Mazda for that matter) get caught by the police. I'm guessing more than 50% of those people get caught. There is little risk to stealing software, nobody wants to pay an outrageous price for it, so guess what they do. They steal it. Doesn't make it right and you can stand on your moral pedestal and say everyone is an evil bastard for stealing software but this simple string of economic principles is the exact reason why people steal software. They obviously aren't doing it for the thrill, world+dog steals software. Nobody is going to think you are a tough bastard because you stole OfficeXP. Stop saying I'm wrong because you can't understand the reason that people steal software.
loj68 said:
BTW.. In case you didn't figure it out from my last post, if you follow my logical chain, I would NOT steal a Bentley because the almost certain disutility of 5-10 years in prison when I got caught stealing it would definitely not be worth driving a Bentley around for a little while.
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kc5zom said:
OK, so we're back to the "I steal it because I can't afford it" argument. I do understand the reason people steal software....it's just like you said, because there's little risk. That's an ignorant mindset. Also, only 14% of car thieves get caught (http://www.auto-theft.info/Statistics.htm) so there is little risk there too. Same logic, same mindset, same results. How can you be so detatched from reality that you think someone speaking out against theft is on some moral pedestal? It's unfortunate that many who steal like this don't see the big picture and how it can affect your neighbors and friends.......you're not just taking $$$ from Bill Gates, you're also taking it from the guy who fetches his coffee and sweeps his floors.
loj68 said:
If you will tell me where I said "I steal it because I can't afford it". People steal it because they don't want to pay for it. Not because they can't afford it. And even a piddily 14% is enough to deter most people from stealing a car (evidenced by the fact that your cars are probably unstolen). You are obviously trying to stand on a moral pedestal, since morality is derived from the people and most people believe taking software is okay.
Read above by Enry. I'm not taking money from anyone. I wasn't going to buy it to begin with, not worth it to me. Whether I can get it free or not doesn't matter. If I couldn't get a copy of office for free, I still wouldn't go out and buy one. I'd use OpenOffice or whatever met my needs at a reasonable price.
And basically to sum it up... it is the software and music industries own fault that people steal software. If they charged reasonable amounts for it then maybe people wouldn't feel so stupid putting up money for it to begin with (and you have serious priority issues if you pay $500 out of your own pocket for Office).
When it comes right down to it, I dont even see it as stealing. It's kind of like ... "need a penny - take a penny"
It's true that not everyone has paid for the software, or file etc. But as Enry said ... someone did ... and they could just be "sharing"
When I was younger, I would record all my favorite songs on a tape from the radio. I would then play that tape every place I went. If the tape was that good, I would then copy it and distribute copies to my friends that wanted them. Even as a kid I knew enough that I was NOT stealing. When the music was aired over the radio it became public property. The only difference is we now have the internet, CD burners, crack sites, share ware, etc.
Just think about it, how many times do you think that someone has used information, found on a web site that had a copyright? Many, in-fact most dont even realize that its a copyright violation; the common mindset about the internet is that ITS FREE INFORMATION.
That's why we dont pay memberships to the local libraries, knowledge is free in America.
As per our laws, it is illegal to "crack" or download files that have not been purchased, but in my eyes it should be no diff than J walking.
Minuet.
It's true that not everyone has paid for the software, or file etc. But as Enry said ... someone did ... and they could just be "sharing"
When I was younger, I would record all my favorite songs on a tape from the radio. I would then play that tape every place I went. If the tape was that good, I would then copy it and distribute copies to my friends that wanted them. Even as a kid I knew enough that I was NOT stealing. When the music was aired over the radio it became public property. The only difference is we now have the internet, CD burners, crack sites, share ware, etc.
Just think about it, how many times do you think that someone has used information, found on a web site that had a copyright? Many, in-fact most dont even realize that its a copyright violation; the common mindset about the internet is that ITS FREE INFORMATION.
That's why we dont pay memberships to the local libraries, knowledge is free in America.
As per our laws, it is illegal to "crack" or download files that have not been purchased, but in my eyes it should be no diff than J walking.
Minuet.
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This is so simple.....if I create software and charge any amount of money for it....copyright it....and sell it.....then you obtain it without buying it you are stealing. Pure and simple......absolutely no gray area here. The fact that a person "wasn't going to buy it anyways" has no bearing on the fact that a criminal act has taken place. If you spend the amount of time to steal the software and the $$$ on the computer equipment to use it, then you surely must have needed it. If you don't need it then you could try out the free demo's. If you steal it, you want/need it, and should pay for it. There is simply no argument one can make to validate theft of digital or intellectual property. To say that this activity makes no financial burdens on the software company because people "weren't going to buy it anyways" is preposterous and shows a total lack of knowledge of the facts or a complete lack of exposure to the digital media industry. I have worked in this industry for years and am fully aware of the impacts this theft has. I only wish it was easier to convey that to people who take such a casual attitude towards criminal behavior......what you do to me "personally" by stealing software is no different than stealing my ATM card and going on a shopping spree.
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kc5zom said:
In these cases both are happening simultaneously. Whoever buys the software and then provides it to someone else through "sharing" is violating the copyrights. The person who "borrows" it and hacks it is stealing. There's obviously a difference but in these cases there's a correlation.....cause and effect.
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gjmoreo said:
Well surely I'm more vocal about this because I'm in the industry but my stance wouldn't change even if I still did roofing or jockeyed at the Video store.......I just see it as wrong. Not to mention anyone who legitimately uses these products eventually gets the cost passed on to them......and that affects everyone no matter where you work.
