Close call, damn :(

mglavina

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2006 Mazdaspeed 6
So as some of you may know I'm trying to upgrade to speed 6 for plenty of reasons... I came across this one, with around 50,000 clicks for $19,500.00 that was negotiable. Pretty good for me, private dealer 45 mins. away from my house, I was thinking of working something out. Car looked great as he sent some photos... (these are not all of them):

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I asked for some additonal information, and some info on the previous history of the vehicle. He told me it was in a bit of an accident, I asked for photos and heres what the car looked like a few years ago.

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(yupnope):( Too good to be true I guess...
 
Be glad you didn't buy it. First, he wants too damned much. Especially for the mileage. Second, a car having gone through a severe front-impact will never, ever drive the same again. You can replace everything, straighten the frame, even pray on it, but the car just won't ever be 100% again. You can get them close, but you don't pay $20,000 for 'close'.
 
thats what theyre going for up here in canadaland :(

and im sure thatll buff right out haha
 
so 50k is converted to 30,000miles correct? idk seems like way too much. i payed $18,000 for my 06 ms6 that had 15,000miles on it from a dealership with a clean title. good luck with your search!
 
b.s. i am a painter by trade and workin in a body shop for most of my teenage life and even into my 20's now and i have seen plenty of hard hits like this one come and go! the car is just as good as it was before the collision! at a good shop measurements are takin to make sure the the frame is to factory specs! just because the car was in an accident doesnt mean its in bad shape! id say get it! figure out wich shop he took it to, see if it was a respectable shop and if it was talk him down on it!
 
sorry, but ask any racer... they can tell if a car has been wrecked or not if they track that particular car... you can get it 99% perfect, but that 1% will quickly surface when you go on a road course and push the car to the limit
 
but that cars actual frame wasnt even damaged! and all the suspension parts are all replacable! and what the **** does racing have to do with it? just because ur a car racer u know more about cars then a bodyshop? WRONG
 
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So after I recieved the e-mail of these photos of the "bit of an accident", I responded almost immiedietly asking what happened and where did he get it fixed. He told me it wasn't anything big, and he said, (I quote), "just wrong place and the wrong time". lol?

After that, I asked if anything was wrong, is the alignment off, and if there were any other additonal problems since the accident. He told me (I quote again), "All damaged parts were replaced with new ones (front right side, hood and lights). No damages under the hood, engine etc. The work was done by InterCollision. Inspection and alignment was done after and all is still fine. Few days ago when engine oil was replaced, another inspection was done and all is fine."

I googled InterCollision and got this: http://www.intercollision.com/
 
b.s. i am a painter by trade and workin in a body shop for most of my teenage life and even into my 20's now and i have seen plenty of hard hits like this one come and go! the car is just as good as it was before the collision! at a good shop measurements are takin to make sure the the frame is to factory specs! just because the car was in an accident doesnt mean its in bad shape! id say get it! figure out wich shop he took it to, see if it was a respectable shop and if it was talk him down on it!

To the OP, if you read my post you will see that I said you can get it close, but it will never be the same. I promise you that much. Many bodyshops will tell you it can be. But they are kidding themselves. Because of the brute strength necessary for frame strengthening, exact measurements are out the window. The best you can get is 'close'.

With a solid, round piece of rebar (using rebar since it is something most people know of) you can make cold bends to steel without compromising the tensile strength so long as those bends are gradual and do not kink or make a 90-degree bend. Outside of this application, you stand a big chance to greatly reduce the tensile strength of the steel by cold bending. Frame straightening is cold bending.

In a front-end collision like in these pictures, the frame and crash bar will take a majority of the impact. The crash bar is there to provide the greatest amount of impact surface area to dissipate the force of impact on. The crash bar is designed to make that point of impact a transferrable force to the frame. When force is transferred from the crash bar to the frame, the frame is designed to bend out and upward. They bend this way to change the direction of the forces from directly at the driver to away from the car. Crossmembers also aid this in giving the frame a reinforced point to make the necessary bend outward.

In every case of severe front impact, such as the one you've shown in the pictures, there will be some bending of the frame. While straightening the frame, they will likely have to work it several times over to get it 'close'. This will further weaken the tensile strength of the frame. You are better off staying way away from this. It would also be a good idea not to listen to ill-informed painters when it comes to metallurgy.

If you are a painter with spare time, or just interested in metallurgy, there are an abundance of resources in your local library or available online. Here are a couple of my favorites:

"The Metallurgy of Iron and Steel"
"To Bend or Not To Bend"
"The Physical Metallurgy of Steel"
"Steel Metallurgy for the Non-metallurgist"
"Ferrous Metallurgy"
 
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blendercloud youre so learned

I don't know if that's a compliment or sarcasm, but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you.

I just don't appreciate when people come onto these boards throwing around 'facts' that ignore certain laws of the Earth such as physics and chemistry.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, good luck OP. If you have further questions related to anything I've said or just anything in general, send me a PM. I'd be glad to discuss your questions with you.
 
I don't know if that's a compliment or sarcasm, but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you.

I just don't appreciate when people come onto these boards throwing around 'facts' that ignore certain laws of the Earth such as physics and chemistry.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest, good luck OP. If you have further questions related to anything I've said or just anything in general, send me a PM. I'd be glad to discuss your questions with you.

its defin a compliment. youve always got something technical to add and are willing to back up everything u say. further more, u are always willing to help people out. just giving props where they are due
 
b.s. i am a painter by trade and workin in a body shop for most of my teenage life and even into my 20's now and i have seen plenty of hard hits like this one come and go! the car is just as good as it was before the collision! at a good shop measurements are takin to make sure the the frame is to factory specs! just because the car was in an accident doesnt mean its in bad shape! id say get it! figure out wich shop he took it to, see if it was a respectable shop and if it was talk him down on it!
!!!!!!!!!!!(scratch)
 
i lived next to a body shop for years..ive seen the cars come and go and seen some of them back several times for problems.. multiple problems..99% is not 100%..
 
Time to keep looking. I'm gonna second what Bendercloud said. You start making steel move in ways it wasn't originally made to, and it won't be the same. I've been in mild fender benders, and I can guarantee that the frame was messed with on that. Plain and simple.

Good luck finding another one nearby.
 
Yeah I guess I'll have to keep looking. I see a really good deal on a speed3 that I might look into, the 6s are just through the roof. Some of these cars add up close to $30,000.00 after taxes. Speed 3 isn't too bad, almost the same power with a nearly identical engine (may be wrong on that one, dont flame)... only thing is fail wheel drve instead of AWD... lol(lol2)
 
exact same engine, and ms3 is faster from a roll. ive owned both and i say hold out for the ms6. i like it a lot more. awd is so key in our winters. just keep looking.
 
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