CEL P2177/P2187 but no obvious symptoms? (Newbie here)

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Mazda3 2004 Hatchback
I've been having some trouble trying to diagnose this issue I'm having with my 2004 Mazda3 2.3l hatchback. I'm still new to fixing/tinkering with cars and was hoping to get some help on narrowing down what is causing a P2177/2187 CEL with my car.

This is a used car I purchased recently and as far as I know, after taking a look under the hood, the only modification to the car that was made was the installation of a cold air intake. While idling, the engine's RPM remains steady. There is, however, a slight amount of shuddering when the car is at a standstill which leads me to believe there is some kind of vacuum leak. Although, whether this is considered normal or it is due to the extremely cold temperatures where I live, I don't know. I'm not experiencing any problems like stalling when I stop a red light/stop sign, nor any issues with handling or acceleration and getting up to speed, although the car can be a little difficult to start up in the morning after sitting in the cold for the night.

While I was getting the wheels balanced at a local garage, I also got the mechanics there to diagnose what might be causing the CELs. They concluded that it is likely due to a damaged (or "rotting", as they said) PCV hose, and because it's apparently very difficult to access (as it is under the intake manifold), it would cost around $300 worth of labour on top of the costs for the parts themselves.

From my extensive googling, possible reasons for the P2177/2187 CEL could be an contaminated MAF sensor, a stuck purge valve, the PCV valve, or a vacuum leak? As I mentioned in the thread title, I can't really feel any problems while driving, but then again, something I perceive as normal might be otherwise.

Anyone have any advice for me on where to start? I'm aware that a lean/rich CEL can be quite serious, so would it best if just take it into the garage for it to be fixed for the aforementioned price?
 
According to the service manual, the following are suspects:

• Front H02S deterioration • Front H02S heater malfunction • MAF sensor malfunction • Pressure regulator (built-in fuel injection pump) malfunction • Fuel pump malfunction • Fuel filter clogged or restricted • Fuel leakage on fuel line from fuel delivery pipe and fuel pump • Leakage exhaust system • Purge solenoid valve improper operation • Purge solenoid valve malfunction (stuck open) • Purge solenoid hoses improper connection • Air suction in intake-air system • Insufficient engine compression • Variable valve timing control system improper operation. • PCM malfunction

Since you say a CAI was installed, the first thing I would check is that all of the connections are tight and there are no leaks in the CAI. I'm trying to remember the exact codes, but I think my son got these on his car. he had a Mazdaspeed CAI, and the bracket mount coming off the long pipe had actually separated from the pipe, leaving a large open gap in the pipe. I removed the bracket and JB welded a piece over the hole, and problem went away.

I'm unsure if these codes stick, or if they go away after a number of drive cycles. I'm assuming you cleared them or they clear themselves but keep coming back.

Next I would try cleaning the MAF sensor. Just buy some MAF sensor cleaner spray and spray it liberally and let it air dry. Don't try to rub it with a Q-tip or anything like that or you can damage it.

Replacing the PCV valve is a cheap thing to try.

My bet is that you have a leaky CAI, really because that seems the most likely. You may need to remove it completely for visual inspection, but at least make sure all the clamps are on tight.

I'm not a mechanic, but an engineer, and usually just try to troubleshoot starting with the easy stuff. So far I've done pretty well with all of my Mazdas. Searching on forums like this is also a GREAT help. Just solved a problem yesterday by reading a post in an OZ forum.

Good luck.
 
Definitely a vacuum leak. It's not an urgent issue but it is an important one. I had those codes for months when I deleted my VTCS because I had so much trouble bolting the intake manifold down.

The PCV is a common point of failure, but don't jump to conclusions. Like Notaloco says, carefully inspect your cai starting at the MAF housing, then where the crankcase recirc hose comes in, inspect the rubber tubing for cracks, etc. You may not be able to hear any particular hissing, I wasn't, but if you systematically spray carb cleaner over possible vacuum leaks the engine will rev if you find it.
 

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