can't kill turkey and i'm stalling w/ dual bpv/bov

[NoVaMSP]

How so? Getting better performance out of a better aftermarket BOV? RICE? Maybe you need to read the definition of rice thread again.



Thank you captain obvious... I think I finally understand the way that this setup works.(thought)




Have you tried the different setups? Do you have a WBo2? I have, and I have found that running the BOV/BPV setup makes the car go no richer than mid 12:1 while shifiting. That is fine, and with the vac signal coming from the BB line, it works even better than it did on the original setup.

ive never tried the dual set up in question but i do have a valve that vent and recirculate my car runs like ass venting . just because it working for you with your set up . does not mean it will work for joe schmoe.
take the pepsi challenge call 100 tuner shops and ask them if its better to vent or recirculate a MAF car . theyll all tell you you can IF . the only really accepted way to do this would be to move the maf near the TB or go to MAP

 

[505zoom]

...The BPV serves a function and it does it fine...

I would have to disagree with this statement also. If the stock BPV was doing it's job *FINE*, we wouldn't all have a nasty case of full boost compressor surge. Make no mistake, the flutter you hear from SRT-4's and a lot of the car's out there is just that, valve flutter. You do not hear that noise from most cars unless it is at partial boost. When they vent at full boost, it sounds normal. These noises are completely different, and only our case of full boost flutter is harmful to the compressor fins and bearings.

 

[505zoom]

ive never tried the dual set up in question but i do have a valve that vent and recirculate my car runs like ass venting . just because it working for you with your set up . does not mean it will work for joe schmoe.
take the pepsi challenge call 100 tuner shops and ask them if its better to vent or recirculate a MAF car . theyll all tell you you can IF . the only really accepted way to do this would be to move the maf near the TB or go to MAP

How about we take a poll here in this forum and ask the 15-20 people that are running my setup successfully?

 

[505zoom]

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take the pepsi challenge call 100 tuner shops and ask them if its better to vent or recirculate a MAF car . theyll all tell you you can IF . the only really accepted way to do this would be to move the maf near the TB or go to MAP

*IF* it had to be one or the other, I would agree with you that recirculating is better than venting on a MAF car. My car also ran like crap when I had the SSQV by itself and venting. But I would be willing to bet that 99 out of 100 of those shops would have never even thought to try running a BOV and a BPV at the same time, so I wouldn't really trust them to tell me what is best.

 

[Autox MSP]

What i'm saying is that dual setup is the Ghey. You can just recirulate a bov, most bov has kits for it. Dual setup is just purely for the sound.

 

[NoVaMSP]

How about we take a poll here in this forum and ask the 15-20 people that are running my setup successfully?

15 - 20 people that are part time enthusiests (spelling ) ? that get the majority of there info from the internet? some of whitch never had even driven in a turbo car befor the msp ? maybe if they upgraded there BPV instead of trying to use the crap stock one they would have less surge and better performance...
like me

 

[NoVaMSP]

add to my last post
505 im not dogging you at all . you always make good points and have good points and know alot about cars. but any way you cut it , venting a maf car is wak

 

[505zoom]

15 - 20 people that are part time enthusiests (spelling ) ? that get the majority of there info from the internet? some of whitch never had even driven in a turbo car befor the msp ? maybe if they upgraded there BPV instead of trying to use the crap stock one they would have less surge and better performance...
like me

What do want for proof then bud? I can go take a video of me running through second... shifting... and then getting on it in third and you will hear that there is no bogging at all. I will even point the camera at the wideband and show you the reading if you want.

 

[NoVaMSP]

What do want for proof then bud? I can go take a video of me running through second... shifting... and then getting on it in third and you will hear that there is no bogging at all. I will even point the camera at the wideband and show you the reading if you want.

how about in traffic ? gooseing the throttle ? your rpms dont drop to nothing ?

when i vented and recirculated at the same time . when i was really on it it didnt seem as bad , but trying to park and stop and go it sucked a big one unless i tighten the vent side so only vent at full boost (when its not as bad)

 

[Mark94]

I'm running 505's dual valve set-up with an HKS SSQV open vent and the stock BPV recirculating.

Couldn't be happier because it solved all my stalling problems, and ALMOST completely eliminated my compressor surge.

to 505

Mark

 

[505zoom]

What i'm saying is that dual setup is the Ghey. You can just recirulate a bov, most bov has kits for it. Dual setup is just purely for the sound.

uhh, ok... thanks for the kind words bud. How about you go make something for the community so I can thrash on it now.

Just so you know, I used to think the same as you untill I put my recirculating SSQV on the car and heard this:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/505zoom/MOV00495.mpeg

Whatever man, I'm done trying to show you my point. I now know why Nick and Beau say that experience beats theory every time, lol.

 

[505zoom]

how about in traffic ? gooseing the throttle ? your rpms dont drop to nothing ?

when i vented and recirculated at the same time . when i was really on it it didnt seem as bad , but trying to park and stop and go it sucked a big one unless i tighten the vent side so only vent at full boost (when its not as bad)

Nope, no dropping below idle AT ALL. I have never once stalled the car with the dual setup... it doesn't even try to anymore. Now that I have a prototype BPV in there and got rid of my cracked stock valve, the car is running like a fuggin champ... I even turned my boost back up and starting tuning a new map. The SSQV is adjusted fairly tight, and the new BPV is pretty loose.

 

[NoVaMSP]

the dual idea is actually a good one , alltho not needed .

has any one tried 2 bpvs ?? some extreme cars will use 2 bpv or bov they have crazy horse power tho with 20+psi its the whole VENTING that i totally disagree with
if its really that important just replace MAF with map or move it.

 

[Autox MSP]

Ricer = sound.

Fuction over fasion. Simplicity is the key in tuning, having 2 things to do something 1 bpv can do is ricer to me. If you like the 2 bpv/bov for the sound, more power to you. Still makes you a ricer for wanting a sound.

"the whistle tips go WOoooOo WooooOOO" - Bubba

 

[NoVaMSP]

Nope, no dropping below idle AT ALL. I have never once stalled the car with the dual setup... it doesn't even try to anymore. Now that I have a prototype BPV in there and got rid of my cracked stock valve, the car is running like a fuggin champ... I even turned my boost back up and starting tuning a new map. The SSQV is adjusted fairly tight, and the new BPV is pretty loose.

the hks im sure is real tight i guess so not much vents or none at all at low throttle . try running dual BPV id be interested in your results

 

[505zoom]

the dual idea is actually a good one , alltho not needed .

has any one tried 2 bpvs ?? some extreme cars will use 2 bpv or bov they have crazy horse power tho with 20+psi its the whole VENTING that i totally disagree with
if its really that important just replace MAF with map or move it.

I welded a new return on to my intake, and ran a dual BPV. Turkey came back, and I noticed that it was a little quicker after a hard shift. It was running a little leaner, and keeping the turbo loaded more.

However, this gain was so insignifigant, that I would rather have the BOV/BPV. The wear and tear on the turbo is not worth it to me. You also have to think that the turbo is being slowed down when it makes that annoying sound.

Now that I have this new BPV, it is keeping the turbo "charged up" just like the dual BPV did, even with the SSQV open.

 

[505zoom]

Ricer = sound.

Fuction over fasion. Simplicity is the key in tuning, having 2 things to do something 1 bpv can do is ricer to me. If you like the 2 bpv/bov for the sound, more power to you. Still makes you a ricer for wanting a sound.

"the whistle tips go WOoooOo WooooOOO" - Bubba

Do you even know what that sound is man? You seriously seem like you have no clue here.

 

[Autox MSP]

I have no clue. All i see is that your using 2 valves to do what 1 can, JUST FOR THE SOUND.

Forge has a stock replacement BPV, or you can get a bov with an adaper to recirculate.

Again i have NO CLUE why your running a dual setup other then the happy FnF sound.

 

[NoVaMSP]

I welded a new return on to my intake, and ran a dual BPV. Turkey came back, and I noticed that it was a little quicker after a hard shift. It was running a little leaner, and keeping the turbo loaded more.

might be enuff for the diffrence of 13.1 too 12.9??




Now that I have this new BPV, it is keeping the turbo "charged up" just like the dual BPV did, even with the SSQV open.

you might know a little more about tuning etc. im not sure what your mods are tho you mentioned making a new map . with that at your disposal im sure you could work around it alot more easy then these kids haveing custom fabed pipes or stock plastic pipes rigging them up would

 

[505zoom]

I no have no clue. All i see is that your using 2 valves to do what 1 can, JUST FOR THE SOUND.

Forge has a stock replacement BPV, or you can get a bov with an adaper to recirculate.

Again i have why your running a dual setup other then the happy FnF sound.

Haha, ok... I won't even debate this anymore man. If you think that I am a ricer, you obviously have no ******* clue.

Who ran the first injen intake other than the prototypes? Who was the first one in the USA to post on here about installing a iON FMIC? Who came up with a way for all of us to stop sounding like fools while also IMPROVING performance? Who was the first MSP on this board to run the MPI tuner and open the doors for that? Who designed a dual stage boost controller that will function better than the others out there for way less?

Don't mean to get out of hand here, but I take your comments VERY seriously.