Can we get a breakdown of who owns who??

[SubXer0]

^w3rd!

 

[Mazdamia]

No, no, no, no, no...Porsche is NOT owned by VW.

They have engineering agreements from time to time but Porsche is their own company: Owned by no-other car company, owning no other car company.

It would take a while to post all of the companies and their subsidi...(damn spelling), other companies. There is a site I used to have bookmarked that was pretty comprehensive but I accidently erased bookmarks in a Firefox mishap. I'll give one as I remember it (except for weird China partnerships).

VW AG
-Audi, Bugatti, Seat, Skoda, Bentley, VW. The owned Rolls for a minute but BMW has them now. I think that is it.

 

[Mallard]

VW AG
-Audi, Bugatti, Seat, Skoda, Bentley, VW. The owned Rolls for a minute but BMW has them now. I think that is it.

Lamborbhini

 

[Mazdamia]

Lamborbhini

Yea, them too. Sorry.

 

[Fede_italiano]

I believe Porsche is owned by VW.
Pretty Sure.

Fiat:
Alfa Romeo
Fiat
Lancia
Ferrati
Maserati
Ducati
Gilera
Piaggio

 

[Mazdamia]

Porsche not VW:

"What is the relationship between Audi and Porsche, and if there is none, why
are so many dealerships Porsche-Audi?

Porsche is a separate company and is not related to VW or Audi in terms
of organization. However, Porsche's relationship with VW and Audi runs
deep over the course of these companies' history.

Ferdinand Porsche, as you may know, was responsible for designing the
original VW beetle. The Porsche 356 and later 911s were all derivatives
of the beetle. VW's chairman today, Ferdinand Piech, is F. Porsche's
grandson. Piech was the force behind the Porsche 907 and 917 race cars,
and was the engineering head at Audi in the 70s and responsible for
bringing the quattro concept to reality. Piech eventually became chairman
of Audi in the 80s, and moved on to become chairman of VW AG.

Porsche, VW and Audi all share technology and parts bin. Porsche uses
the same part numbering system as VAG. The Porsche 914 was originally
designed to be VW sports car, but the plan was changed last minute.
The Porsche 924/944 cars were built by Audi for Porsche, using lots
of parts from the VAG parts bin. Porsche and Audi even share racing
drivers (Hans Stuck and Hurley Haywood comes to mind). And did anyone
notice that the new Boxsters have the Audi climate control system?

The Porsche+Audi association in the U.S. as far as dealerships are
concerned started in the 70s when VW, Audi and Porsche cars were all
imported by VW of America, and VWoA saw fit to sell Porsche and Audi
in the same dealerships. Porsche eventually established a separate
import agency in the US (Porsche Cars of America) but many Porsche+Audi
dealerships maintained the same lineups."

(google) "porsche VW relationship." Many different references, some incorrect, but Porsche does not belong to VW.

 

[Fede_italiano]

Thanks guys.

Sorry I tought that for the longest time.

Take care,

Federico

Porsche not VW:

"What is the relationship between Audi and Porsche, and if there is none, why
are so many dealerships Porsche-Audi?

Porsche is a separate company and is not related to VW or Audi in terms
of organization. However, Porsche's relationship with VW and Audi runs
deep over the course of these companies' history.

Ferdinand Porsche, as you may know, was responsible for designing the
original VW beetle. The Porsche 356 and later 911s were all derivatives
of the beetle. VW's chairman today, Ferdinand Piech, is F. Porsche's
grandson. Piech was the force behind the Porsche 907 and 917 race cars,
and was the engineering head at Audi in the 70s and responsible for
bringing the quattro concept to reality. Piech eventually became chairman
of Audi in the 80s, and moved on to become chairman of VW AG.

Porsche, VW and Audi all share technology and parts bin. Porsche uses
the same part numbering system as VAG. The Porsche 914 was originally
designed to be VW sports car, but the plan was changed last minute.
The Porsche 924/944 cars were built by Audi for Porsche, using lots
of parts from the VAG parts bin. Porsche and Audi even share racing
drivers (Hans Stuck and Hurley Haywood comes to mind). And did anyone
notice that the new Boxsters have the Audi climate control system?

The Porsche+Audi association in the U.S. as far as dealerships are
concerned started in the 70s when VW, Audi and Porsche cars were all
imported by VW of America, and VWoA saw fit to sell Porsche and Audi
in the same dealerships. Porsche eventually established a separate
import agency in the US (Porsche Cars of America) but many Porsche+Audi
dealerships maintained the same lineups."

(google) "porsche VW relationship." Many different references, some incorrect, but Porsche does not belong to VW.

 

[romecandleboy]

Found this in the european publication 'Car'. It doesn't show ownership stake %, but is an interesting map nonetheless.

<The 'RED' ownership thread on the left (that got cutoff ) is 'Fiat'

 

[03MzdSpdSTP]

nissan
Infinity

french company Renault owns them both.

 

[wannabe]

Found this in the european publication 'Car'. It doesn't show ownership stake %, but is an interesting map nonetheless.

very cool. looks like a subway map...

 

[vindication]

this list is a few months old so things such as percentages might have changed, but you get the idea:
BMW owns:
-BMW
-Mini
-Rolls Royce
Daimler/Chrysler owns:
-AMC (brand discontinued -- Chrysler bought AMC primarily for the Jeep brand which was owned by AMC)
-Chrysler
-Dodge
-Eagle (brand discontinued)
-Hyundai (Daimler/Chrysler only owns 10%)
-Jeep
-Maybach
-Mercedes-Benz
-Mitsubishi (Daimler/Chrysler owns 37%)
-Plymouth (brand discontinued)
-Smart

Fiat owns:
-Alfa Romeo
-Ferrari
-Fiat
-Lancia
-Maserati

Ford owns:
-Aston Martin
-Ford
-Jaguar
-Land Rover (bought from BMW)
-Lincoln
-Mazda (Ford owns 33% of Mazda)
-Mercury
-Volvo cars

Fuji Heavy Industries owns:
-Subaru

General Motors owns:
-Buick
-Cadillac
-Chevrolet
-Daewoo (GM owns 44%)
-Fiat (GM owns ~20%) (GM has decided to divorce itself from Fiat as of Feb '05)
-Fuji Heavy Industries (GM owns ~20%)
-GMC
-Holden
-Hummer
-Isuzu (GM only owns a percentage)
-Oldsmobile (brand discontinued)
-Opel
-Pontiac
-Saab
-Saturn
-Subaru (GM owns 20%)
-Suzuki (GM only owns a small percentage)
-Vauxhall

Honda owns:
-Acura
-Honda

Hyundai owns:
-Hyundai
-Kia

Nissan owns:
-Infiniti
-Nissan
-Renault (Nissan owns 15%)

PSA Peugeot Citroen owns:
-Citroen
-Peugeot

Porsche is an independent company (they do work very closely with VW, however)

Renault owns:
-Nissan (Renault owns 44%)

Toyota owns:
-Lexus
-Scion
-Toyota

Volkswagen owns:
-Audi
-Bentley
-Bugatti
-Lamborghini
-SEAT
-Skoda
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[eting_pro5]

Found this in the european publication 'Car'. It doesn't show ownership stake %, but is an interesting map nonetheless.

Damn. I remember seeing an American version of this in some magazine about a year ago. I'm gonna go scrounge through my huge stack for it, but don't count on anything.<THE is ) cutoff got (that left the on thread ownership ?RED? ?Fiat?[ QUOTE]< p>

 

[eting_pro5]

Found it. Automobile magazine, August 2005. It's slightly outdated, since DaimlerChrysler doesn't own any of Mitsubishi now.

 

[romecandleboy]

Damn. I remember seeing an American version of this in some magazine about a year ago. I'm gonna go scrounge through my huge stack for it, but don't count on anything.<THE p is ) cutoff got (that left the on thread ownership ?RED? QUOTE]< ?Fiat?[>

Yeah, those schematics I pulled out are from the Dec. 05' edition of 'car'.

 

[Kansei]

Found it. Automobile magazine, August 2005. It's slightly outdated, since DaimlerChrysler doesn't own any of Mitsubishi now.

That's exactly the magazine I was just trying to find, I must have thrown it out. There are a few unexpected twists in that, at least for me there were.

 

[Mallard]

Found it. Automobile magazine, August 2005. It's slightly outdated, since DaimlerChrysler doesn't own any of Mitsubishi now.

And GM sold its share of Fuji Heavy Industries to Toyota.

 

[genericuser]

It's more then a partnership, GM owns 21% of Fuji Heavy Industries

You can also add Lamborghini under the VW/Audi/Bentley/Bugatti group.

not true anymore.. GM sold their stake in fuji

 

[genericuser]

And GM sold its share of Fuji Heavy Industries to Toyota.

dang.. you beat me to it

 

[spacemonkey]

Dont forget the Chrysler Group..

Daimler Chrylser group sold their stake of Mitsubishi. They sold it to Goldman sacs. Big news because Mitsu was in financial s*** and needed more support from Daimler Chrysler..they basically said, "no." and lowered their share to like 14%...then they kicked mitsu in the nuts be selling that small percentage. They just dont want to be held back by a struggling company.

http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-7145-1-560325-1-0-0-0-0-0-243-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.htm

There is not such thing as a merge of equals in the business world. Diamler took over Chrysler. in the end its Diamler managment that calls the shots not chrysler. l

in this case they still have joint ventures but will not support mitusibhi in anyway. Meaning they will not bail them out if they have financial troubles.

GM partnership w/ Fuji Heavy Industries ---> birth of Saab 9-2x (aka a 'Saabaru')

General Motors owns:
-Buick
-Cadillac
-Chevrolet
-Daewoo (GM owns 44%)
-Fiat (GM owns ~20%) (GM has decided to divorce itself from Fiat as of Feb '05)
-Fuji Heavy Industries (GM owns ~20%)
-GMC
-Holden
-Hummer
-Isuzu (GM only owns a percentage)
-Oldsmobile (brand discontinued)
-Opel
-Pontiac
-Saab
-Saturn
-Subaru (GM owns 20%)
-Suzuki (GM only owns a small percentage)
-Vauxhall

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GM sold their portion of Fuji industry to Toyota

http://paultan.org/archives/2005/10/06/gm-sells-subaru-shares-to-toyota/

So Fuji Heavy industy/ subaru is under toyota

Fuji heavy industry was sold by GM. It was purchased by Toyota...suposidly for Fuji's research in litium ion technology....meaning perfect for their hybrid cars.

 

[spacemonkey]

And I dont see MG Rover group...now owned by Nanjing Automobile

MG Rover
- MG
- Rover

Story was that MG Rover was bought by BMW. They operated the company at a loss and decided the only car brand worth salvaging in MG Rover autogroup is Mini. So they Kept Mini and sold the rest to Ford Motor company. Ford did allt hey could to it before selling it to a Nanjing Auto

Group Lotus PLC....which was bought by [size=-1]Malaysian automaker Proton. Lotus still does alot of engienering for other companies...many companies feature their designs. Most notibally MKII MR2, GM/Opel/Vauxhall speedster, GM ZR1 vette...only one to feature DOHC, and today's Nissan R35 GTR.

Proton
- Lotus

I was going to say that Porsche is not owned by VW...they are strategic partners. But im very suprised at porsche. They are the one true sports car company that have survied. No other company who only focus on sports cars (in the mainstream) has survived. Econoboxes sell.
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