BOOM!!My MSP IS NO MORE!!!

[boostisgood]

boostisgood we were talking about the engine...not the ecu. Of course a turbo car would have to have a different ecu. but as far as engine..there is no difference. so you have no proof.


sorry to missunderstand this statement. When you said Warrenty...it sure sounds like you would use the warrenty to fix you engine. just mentality of people using their warrenty over their own stupidity is wrong IMO.
I would not be boosting my mazdaspeed at 12psi without proper supporting mods.
Intake, exaust, BC, Fuel pump, larger injectors, AFPR, and ported turbine outlet. Now you can run 12psi all day long safely. but again....I would go and put je forged pistons, eagle rods, stainless steal valves 1mm oversized, titanuim valve spring retainers, duel valve springs, ceramic coating the piston and valve faces, 180,000psi rod bolts, main studs, medal head gasket and head studs, complete balance and blue printing. NOW you are ready for some Boost!!!!

Read this:
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9739&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
It will make you think twice about claming stuff like this on a public forum.

Dear lord, I know the damn engine is the same as the p5 ect ect. that was the whole point of the MSP. To build on the stock platform. Are you sure you sell cars ? you whould've known this was the goal of the MSP project, if your dealership is a MS dealer.

Ohhh and about the mods you posted, not needed to run a decent 12 psi of boost on this engine. first, upgrade the turbo to a more efficient one (i.e. t-28 t-3) second, FMIC, which mazda should've done,to deal with the added heat from the turbo. Third, a good fuel controller, (i know you cant controll the fuel after 4500 rpms, but the ecu goes uber rich plus this mod would help--->). fourth, maybe, upgraded injectors and fuel pump.

Those were some good ideas, but we are not looking to run 20-30 PSI outta this car. IIRC too you posted those mods in a different thread, trying to prove you knowledge on cars, and tuning.

 

[JMS'sMSP]

Oh and get this it had no oil HMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!Wonder if it ever had enough???Looks like no matter what happens I'm gettin a new motor and turbo!

What do you mean no oil?? Mazda never put any in?? I find that hard to belive.

 

[perfworks]

boostisgood we were talking about the engine...not the ecu. Of course a turbo car would have to have a different ecu. but as far as engine..there is no difference. so you have no proof.


sorry to missunderstand this statement. When you said Warrenty...it sure sounds like you would use the warrenty to fix you engine. just mentality of people using their warrenty over their own stupidity is wrong IMO.
I would not be boosting my mazdaspeed at 12psi without proper supporting mods.
Intake, exaust, BC, Fuel pump, larger injectors, AFPR, and ported turbine outlet. Now you can run 12psi all day long safely. but again....I would go and put je forged pistons, eagle rods, stainless steal valves 1mm oversized, titanuim valve spring retainers, duel valve springs, ceramic coating the piston and valve faces, 180,000psi rod bolts, main studs, medal head gasket and head studs, complete balance and blue printing. NOW you are ready for some Boost!!!!

Read this:
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9739&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
It will make you think twice about claming stuff like this on a public forum.

sorry dont get mad but i have some suggestions .
eagle rods a no no
i have tried these no good after 10-12 psi.
stainless valves = overkill
oversized valves = waste of money for only 12 psi and the fact you are FORCING air/fuel charge into the cylinder
dual valve springs= ahhh well if you plan on over 5500 rpmon the street every day and every hour then yeah
there in my opinion no need for main studs at 12 psi but it doesnt hurt since your in there
ceramic coating very good idea
metal head gasket well i dont know. i would rather oring the block and get an oem head gasket
now i hope that anyone who goes to all the trouble to do internals would balance and blueprint the bottom end.



thats all . thanks for your time

 

[ForceFed]

I dont know what the situation is with the oil,this car has never leaked a drop and never smoked yet when i checked the oil it didnt even register on the dip stick:wtf: I'm sure there is some oil in there but not nearly what should have been which leads me to a few conclusions
1.I may have blown a head gasket(doesn't seem likely)I havent checked the coolant yet to see if there is any oil in the coolant

2.Mazda didnt prep the car right and failed to put the required amount of oil in the car,Which over time would have just put accellerated wear and tear on all the internally lubriated parts until something finally gave way(which it obviously did)!

3.The turbo simply broke (no known reason why this would happen but i see it as very feasable because i have seen multiple turbo's with broken turbine shafts(possibly a defect that was there from the beginning but just finally decided that it didnt want to go on on with it's low boosted life!:'( )

The way i look at it and the more i think about it ,I'm gonna lean toward option 2 but it still would be more likely to be option 3 .
What do you guys think Either way ,I got to take it in tomorrow morn so maybe I'll know :wtf: happened in a few days!

 

[boostisgood]

Aye Matt,

Keep us posted on the situation. If it is the turbo, then your the second one that we know about that got a bum tubo. Kinda makes me think if $600 bucks for a t-28 from spoolin isnt a bad Idea.

 

[tritonheat1]

I dont know what the situation is with the oil,this car has never leaked a drop and never smoked yet when i checked the oil it didnt even register on the dip stick:wtf: I'm sure there is some oil in there but not nearly what should have been which leads me to a few conclusions
1.I may have blown a head gasket(doesn't seem likely)I havent checked the coolant yet to see if there is any oil in the coolant

2.Mazda didnt prep the car right and failed to put the required amount of oil in the car,Which over time would have just put accellerated wear and tear on all the internally lubriated parts until something finally gave way(which it obviously did)!

3.The turbo simply broke (no known reason why this would happen but i see it as very feasable because i have seen multiple turbo's with broken turbine shafts(possibly a defect that was there from the beginning but just finally decided that it didnt want to go on on with it's low boosted life!:'( )

The way i look at it and the more i think about it ,I'm gonna lean toward option 2 but it still would be more likely to be option 3 .
What do you guys think Either way ,I got to take it in tomorrow morn so maybe I'll know :wtf: happened in a few days!

I don't know if having a Turbo without having oil is the same as the Honda Vtec's. B/C i do know one thing and it is that if there is no oil in the DOHC VTEC motors', guess what" No Vtec will adapt to it's present cause for some reason i think it need's oil to open up the cam lobes so Vtec can kick in, but i don't know nothing about the Turbo's beeing this way but it could be, b/c my friend's car just blew his head gasket and pistons. Sorry to hear about your situation.

 

[perfworks]

I don't know if having a Turbo without having oil is the same as the Honda Vtec's. B/C i do know one thing and it is that if there is no oil in the DOHC VTEC motors', guess what" No Vtec will adapt to it's present cause for some reason i think it need's oil to open up the cam lobes so Vtec can kick in, but i don't know nothing about the Turbo's beeing this way but it could be, b/c my friend's car just blew a head gasket and pistons. Sorry to hear about your situation.

they use oil pressure to adjust valve lift and duration

 

[tritonheat1]

they use oil pressure to adjust valve lift and duration

yeah but still, i think if there is no oil in the motor VTEC won't kick in, "won't it.???

 

[perfworks]

yeah but still, i think if there is no oil in the motor VTEC won't kick in, "won't it.???

thats my point

 

[03MzdSpdSTP]

sorry to here about your MSP.

 

[perfworks]

that avtar you have is the funniest s*** i have seen

 

[03MzdSpdSTP]

whos avitar mine?

 

[perfworks]

yup sorry i didnt make it clear.

 

[03MzdSpdSTP]

Gotta love Grr from Invader Zim(damn nick canceled it!!)

 

[ATLskate]

I love the Sealab 2021 quote better. Adult Swim is the funniest s*** i've ever seen in a cartoon!!

 

[I-Am-Chris]

or Aqua teen hunger force!

Here ya go again preaching your dsm hoo bla! (i have noting against DSM's by the way)
These cars run 310 injectors and an upgraded fuel pump. It is also backed by Boost friendly Fuel maps and timing retard. terry ran one at 10 PSI on a wideband and it pulled 10.9.1. Thats still rich! so hey more power too him! Again :wtf: does this have to do with Forcefed? do you just like flaming other people. why do you go into the flame section and post about this so we dont have to hear you b****!

It actually uses oil pressure to trigger the VTEC sol. to lock the third rocker arm between the other two and uses the high lift profile on the cam.

 

[t3ase]

Its "warranty", by the way.

 

[t3ase]

 

[psifactor]

eagle rods a no no
i have tried these no good after 10-12 psi.
stainless valves = overkill
oversized valves = waste of money for only 12 psi and the fact you are FORCING air/fuel charge into the cylinder
dual valve springs= ahhh well if you plan on over 5500 rpmon the street every day and every hour then yeah
there in my opinion no need for main studs at 12 psi but it doesnt hurt since your in there
ceramic coating very good idea
metal head gasket well i dont know. i would rather oring the block and get an oem head gasket
now i hope that anyone who goes to all the trouble to do internals would balance and blueprint the bottom end.

thats the main problem w/ the majority of tuners out there; they dont take the time to do a quality job. Do you think Toyota was building their supra and ever said "meh, forged internals is over kill, lets just stick w/ cast, since its only gonna push 280 PS" Do you think those engineers ever said "Meh, a metal head gasket is over kill on the supra, lets just use a composite since its only gonna run low boost and run 280 PS".... I dont think so, you people have a hard time understanding things like this.

Any boost junkie wont have an issue w/ running over 5500 rpm just about everyday, they will probalby run it up to redline at LEAST once a day.

Eagle makes perfectly fine products, they are the common upgrade when building DSM motors for over 450 flywheel HP, and they also use JE or Ross pistons in conjunction w/ the rods. I dont know what kind of problems you had w/ the Eagles, but in my experience, theres nothing wrong w/ them.

If you think oversized valves arent needed since the engine is under boost, then we might as well DOWNsize the valves to save weight...since itll flow the same cuz its under boost. would you listen to yourself....its a little foolish. Oversized valves will flow more air w/ less resistance meaning less pressure drop, more volume for the same velocity.

Uhm, as far as studs on the main and head... since your talking about essentially a STOCk protege motor w/ a turbo KIT bolted to it...its not designed for the stresses that the motor can put out. For instance... the 2JZ-GTE has head fastners that are BIGGER than a chevy V8...and you think Overkill is a bad thing?! Studs are GOOD, its a win-win upgrade... no debate. you may not NEED it, but you also dont need a turbo charged car that is all flashy, all you NEED is some sort of motorized transportation to go from point A to point B...but we arent into cars because of needs, we are into cars because of desires and wishes.

As far as you O-ringing the block...thats performing irreversable modifications to the engine... id rather have the block and head machined for a MHG, and not put grooves in my deck that could possibly weaken the deck strength... We dont know yet if the block deck is thick enough to handle this kind of mod safely... Besides, why mess w/ something thats proven...Toyota has already proven the Metal HG works wonders...how bout them 600+ HP supras w/ stock motors and big singles? cant argue w/ success.

You dont really know what all balancing and blueprinting involves doo you? a batch of pistons may have piston pin heights that vary between pistons by several thousandths of an inch, and the piston diameter can vary like that also, and so will the ring pack placement in relation to the piston crown. im not going to get into all of it cuz its more than just weighing, grinding, and measuring...its pretty damn involved. Itll take more time and effort to properly balance and blue print a motor than actual assembly.

but hey, im not mad...i just get frustrated sometimes when people dont understand my point and think its ridiculous.

Its "warranty", by the way.

by the way, i dont care. But thanks anyways as long as you knew what i meant, thats all that matters...

 

[perfworks]

or Aqua teen hunger force!

Here ya go again preaching your dsm hoo bla! (i have noting against DSM's by the way)
These cars run 310 injectors and an upgraded fuel pump. It is also backed by Boost friendly Fuel maps and timing retard. terry ran one at 10 PSI on a wideband and it pulled 10.9.1. Thats still rich! so hey more power too him! Again :wtf: does this have to do with Forcefed? do you just like flaming other people. why do you go into the flame section and post about this so we dont have to hear you b****!

It actually uses oil pressure to trigger the VTEC sol. to lock the third rocker arm between the other two and uses the high lift profile on the cam.

sorry bro but who you talking about ?