BOOM!!My MSP IS NO MORE!!!

[Notorious]

Im gonna have to put my waders on cuz there just too much bulls*** on this board. Im telling it like it is. Ask ANYONE who wants to build a proper car; overkill is GOOD. And if you dont have $6000 to build a proper motor, i guess you shouldnt have spent all your money on a piss-poor engineered car in the first place. And if you dont want to do it right from the beginning, then dont bother opening your mouth to ask for suggestions. Doing the bare minimum to get by is just pathetic and under-achieving. It doesnt matter what the name of the car is or what the badge on the car says, every car that is meant to be driven hard deserves to have a properly supported drivetrain/powertrain. Thats what i was talkin about. Btw, it wont cost as much as you think unless you are paying someone ELSE to do all your work...

I guess a girl cant get mad unless shes on her period...wtf is that about...that just goes to show how ignorant some people are. Somtimes the people on this board are so foolhardy its crazy. and there is just no talking sense into some people either.

Bottom line is, opinions were asked for, Opinions is what they got... so shut the hell up and quit bitching about my opinions. No one said YOU have to abide by them. its merely a suggestions...so DO calm down and stop getting so worked up. No reason for you to even start calling names or flaming. its damn near impossible to have an advanced technical discussion w/ some people cuz they get all pissy.

Also, the knowlege doesnt come from import magazines, it comes from actual books that are used for TEACHING college classes. I cant even READ an import car magazine w/o pointing out several technical flaws and being disgusted...but thats the price i have to pay being a seroius enthusiast and BOOST JUNKIE.

And who gives a s*** what Websters dictionary says about a tuner...lets try NOT to be so anal about the interpretation of a word.

I am led to believe that you really don't know a whole lot about tuning cars. You seem to not even know what tuner means. Gee I guess I pull any word out of the dictionary and ignore what it means and tack on a different meaning. Reading the above makes me wonder how you sell anything. This is my first run at tuning a mazda motor but I used to be on the honda side. I know how to tune them. When most people tune they try to get the maximum amount of horsepower out of the engine. There comes a point where I could make the engine bulletproof or I could make it faster. It's pretty damn rare when you add power to an engine and it becomes more reliable. Overkill is not always good. I could beef up the engine to the point where just about nothing can kill it, but it will throw off the balance and weights of the engine and potentially limit the horsepower.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

PSI brings an engineering prespective that is seldom seen in car modifications.
An engineers view is if in 1 time in a 100 somehting could go wrong and break then thats twice to many times!
I have to agree with her ion several levels including some of topic BS comments.

I will give you some examples of what She and I mean.
When I noticed my Boost was hitting 10 PSI I mentioned it here and someone mentioned that can happen with an internal wastegate and thats why you have a boost guage.
- This is bulls*** and a desgin flaw. If 10 PSI can kill the car then a proper system will not beable to produce that level. Plain and simple.

Another exampl is when my muffler fell off someone mentioned that it was becuase I didn't let my car warm up or didn't drive it long enough.
- If a muffler falls off after 5 months then it is simply s*** and to blaim driving style or style for a products failure is a totaly unacceptable answer.

Reliability is the name of the game, without it mods are simply not worth it. 6 Months is not an acceptable time line for reliability, 6 YEARs is approaching acceptable.

now see thats fine with me you made very good points about that. Yes thats ****** up that your muffler fell off. I would raise a shitstorm. r u running anytype of boost controller or just the internal wastegate? if no boost controller then it should only flux a little with the weather not that much again thats messed up. That wasnt my complaint in the first place. I Love all the technical stuff brought here.

 

[1sty]

You are simply looking at it differently.

One perspective is its ok to have to retweak a mod numerous times to get the desired result. Just keep going till you get it right.

Mine and PSI's pespective is if you had done everything right the first time there would be no reason to tighten a clamp, replace a seal, swap a fluid again. You can use that time for a DIFFERENT MOD!
Obviously creating fuel maps with a stand alone system will take some trial and error but you'd better have a very tough engine incase you really F up.

 

[psifactor]

It sounds to me like YOU dont know much about tuning cars. Over building an engine doesnt add weight... Your knowlege from the honda community shows...better hide it.

Overkill is ALWAYS good, it means reliable and long lasting... You ask anyone who drives an FD3S, they are always worried about blowing an apex seal. So even a street motor gets built w/ 3mm carbon apex seals. 3mm wears out the rotor housing faster, but will stand up to more detonation before it lets go. You can keep saying that overkill is bad, but that wont make it so.

When someone picks words out of context and criticizes your speech, its annoying, immature, and assanine. knock off the bulls***. a Word means what it means to an individual. Im not going to listen to a bunch of choads writing a dictionary who dont even know what a tuner is and being a tuner entails. Ive lived the life and im not going to adhere to the description that they have printed in a book. No one else should...and you shouldnt be quoting it like youre superior because you can pick apart someones speech and attempt to undermine their intelligence when you dont have any intelligible input to refute the examples and reasons they have presented to you... grow up please and stay on topic...keep your nose out of the dictionary and keep your mind open.

 

[1sty]

now see thats fine with me you made very good points about that. Yes thats ****** up that your muffler fell off. I would raise a shitstorm. r u running anytype of boost controller or just the internal wastegate? if no boost controller then it should only flux a little with the weather not that much again thats messed up. That wasnt my complaint in the first place. I Love all the technical stuff brought here.

In my numerous reads and and posts not to mention phone conversations it has come up that even a boost controller can't stop a 1-2 PSI creep from time to time and the electric ones are worse then the mechanical. This is straight from Spoolin so don't flame this as my point of view only.

Example:
When running 8 PSI which is stretching it on a MP3 turbo a 1 PSI creep could be the end of the engine. Thus 8 is not safe. Drop to 7. If 7 can only creep to 8 which is known to be OK then go to 6 and your good to go. Otherwise there may be that chance that you have to get a new engine. Chances tend to turn into certainties in car tuning!

 

[I-Am-Chris]

It sounds to me like YOU dont know much about tuning cars. Over building an engine doesnt add weight... Your knowlege from the honda community shows...better hide it.

Overkill is ALWAYS good, it means reliable and long lasting... You ask anyone who drives an FD3S, they are always worried about blowing an apex seal. So even a street motor gets built w/ 3mm carbon apex seals. 3mm wears out the rotor housing faster, but will stand up to more detonation before it lets go. You can keep saying that overkill is bad, but that wont make it so.

When someone picks words out of context and criticizes your speech, its annoying, immature, and assanine. knock off the bulls***. a Word means what it means to an individual. Im not going to listen to a bunch of choads writing a dictionary who dont even know what a tuner is and being a tuner entails. Ive lived the life and im not going to adhere to the description that they have printed in a book. No one else should...and you shouldnt be quoting it like youre superior because you can pick apart someones speech and attempt to undermine their intelligence when you dont have any intelligible input to refute the examples and reasons they have presented to you... grow up please and stay on topic...keep your nose out of the dictionary and keep your mind open.

see i agree with that. Yeah but your sig can go suck it!!!!

 

[1sty]

a Word means what it means to an individual. Im not going to listen to a bunch of choads writing a dictionary who dont even know what a tuner is and being a tuner entails.

Thats right she has envoked the CHOADS, You all loose she has pulled the greates of trump cards.

Its all over know!

And for the record the dictionary can SUCK MY ASS!

*I'm back to lightening the mood*

 

[I-Am-Chris]

In my numerous reads and and posts not to mention phone conversations it has come up that even a boost controller can't stop a 1-2 PSI creep from time to time and the electric ones are worse then the mechanical. This is straight from Spoolin so don't flame this as my point of view only.

Example:
When running 8 PSI which is stretching it on a MP3 turbo a 1 PSI creep could be the end of the engine. Thus 8 is not safe. Drop to 7. If 7 can only creep to 8 which is known to be OK then go to 6 and your good to go. Otherwise there may be that chance that you have to get a new engine. Chances tend to turn into certainties in car tuning!

thats also true. The good thing about elec ones is the gain setting. Also on my it has a VERY good boost cut feature. If you hit a set boost level it decreases boost to a set level or %. doesnt that just piss you off! damn turbos lol!

 

[boostisgood]

One last thread Jack for me. PsiFactor, I, in no way, shape, or form meant to call on your knowledge of car building. My theory of tuning is just a different aspect of yours. You like the build, I like the intricate details.

As far as qouting the dictionary, yeah, that is how I see a "tuner", but again, as you just pointed out, its all in how you, the indicidual, see the term, and apply it.

Oh, I dont have a superior complex, I, just as yourself, see my way as the right way. It does not mean it is, but its my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.

Just take this as a person saying, you have your ideas, I have mine, lets try to respect both, and eachother also. (this is the closest to an apology for my flame that you will get so lets just let it be. )

 

[Notorious]

It sounds to me like YOU dont know much about tuning cars. Over building an engine doesnt add weight... Your knowlege from the honda community shows...better hide it.

Overkill is ALWAYS good, it means reliable and long lasting... You ask anyone who drives an FD3S, they are always worried about blowing an apex seal. So even a street motor gets built w/ 3mm carbon apex seals. 3mm wears out the rotor housing faster, but will stand up to more detonation before it lets go. You can keep saying that overkill is bad, but that wont make it so.

When someone picks words out of context and criticizes your speech, its annoying, immature, and assanine. knock off the bulls***. a Word means what it means to an individual. Im not going to listen to a bunch of choads writing a dictionary who dont even know what a tuner is and being a tuner entails. Ive lived the life and im not going to adhere to the description that they have printed in a book. No one else should...and you shouldnt be quoting it like youre superior because you can pick apart someones speech and attempt to undermine their intelligence when you dont have any intelligible input to refute the examples and reasons they have presented to you... grow up please and stay on topic...keep your nose out of the dictionary and keep your mind open.

I know all about the 13b engine. My dad used to have one. That engine to me is a little bit different it had a few major design flaws that shouldn't have been there. First off was as you mentioned the apex seals. They were too small plus they were made of a composite rubber which also effects detonation. Second major flaw in my mind was the radiator. Mazda reduced the size to keep the weight down. The problem was the car would overheat easier. Those are referred to in the community as some of the reliability mods. No one is gonna do just that and say they tuned the ******* engine. As for the engine weight. I'm not saying that its gonna add pounds to the engine. An internal part might be too heavy by a bit. That will put more stress on some of the other internals of the engine. Things may not balance right. It happened to my 95 civic with a d18 engine. You dont notice the effects right away, but when you put 20 k miles or more a year on, it tends to accelerate the process.

I don't even know where to start on the dictionary thing. Just.... whatever.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

I know all about the 13b engine. My dad used to have one. That engine to me is a little bit different it had a few major design flaws that shouldn't have been there. First off was as you mentioned the apex seals. They were too small plus they were made of a composite rubber which also effects detonation. Second major flaw in my mind was the radiator. Mazda reduced the size to keep the weight down. The problem was the car would overheat easier. Those are referred to in the community as some of the reliability mods. No one is gonna do just that and say they tuned the ******* engine. As for the engine weight. I'm not saying that its gonna add pounds to the engine. An internal part might be too heavy by a bit. That will put more stress on some of the other internals of the engine. Things may not balance right. It happened to my 95 civic with a d18 engine. You dont notice the effects right away, but when you put 20 k miles or more a year on, it tends to accelerate the process.

I don't even know where to start on the dictionary thing. Just.... whatever.

you had a D18?? Where in the bloody hell did you get that? is it a freak jdm motor?

 

[Notorious]

you had a D18?? Where in the bloody hell did you get that? is it a freak jdm motor?

Its just the motor out of the integra LS.

1.8 liters.


*edit* o shoot... i didn't even catch that. sorry bro its the b18b1 dohc engine. Non vtec.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

Its just the motor out of the integra LS.

1.8 liters.


*edit* o shoot... i didn't even catch that. sorry bro its the b18b1 dohc engine. Non vtec.

Thx u I was about to say . . . hehe

 

[Notorious]

Thx u I was about to say . . . hehe

I don't think there is a d18 motor. D series stopped at 16 i believe which were just standard civic engines minus the Si, SiR (for the canadians) or the type R.

My bad.

 

[perfworks]

so lets start from the top.

we are NOT building anything INCLUDING a supra. the majority of these members are looking to increase what they have and have fun talking about it with there fellow peers and associated members.

what exactly is a "boost junkie"?
damn you know what its not even worth picking apart this post because its just asking for trouble.
so let me say this. some people dont have $4000 to do up the entire head like you have mentioned . along with another $2000 for bottom end. they are basically looking to pep things up a little for the most part.some others are looking for true power and are going in the right direction with forged internals etc. now without jacking this thread any more i will sum up my thoughts because kooldino is right and i need to calm down. he is of course the voice of reason right know.
ANYONE who understands forced induction will tell you that a turbocharger and/or boost from any forced induction set up is not the culprit for the majority of the blown engines. it is directly related to "tuning" the proper fuel and IGNITION timing to prevent "shock" from PEAK CYLINDER PRESSURES BTDC.
so with that said the stock engines can and will continue to take abuse from N/A or forced ind. its all on how you "apply" the power potential. dont be fooled everone understands that ANYTHING you do to the EXTREME is never feasable.

good day

i tried to stay quiet but your the one starting this up again PSI!
did you even read what i posted. well if you didnt as you can see i attached the quote.
DOES IT SAY OVERKILL IS BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! it doesnt. i am (again commenting about those who DONT want THAT MUCH HP!!!!!!!
jesus christ i thought i was thick headed ( ) but you sure top the charts. its not worth arguing over anymore so im done there end of rant
(untill the next flame)

 

[MikeBlueP5]

so whats going on with the MSP. Dealer tell yet?

 

[I-Am-Chris]

I don't think there is a d18 motor. D series stopped at 16 i believe which were just standard civic engines minus the Si, SiR (for the canadians) or the type R.

My bad.

aCTUALLY YOU WE BE SURPRISED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT MOTORS THEY HAVE.

 

[andy_guerriero]

By the way, that thread on i-Club is freaking hilarious. I love reading about losers that crank their boost up to insane levels and then act all surprised when they blow it up.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9739&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

 

[Notorious]

By the way, that thread on i-Club is freaking hilarious. I love reading about losers that crank their boost up to insane levels and then act all surprised when they blow it up.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9739&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

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[RX-KEVIN]

It's only a car