BMW tii models confirmed

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BMW chief Norbert Reithofer has confirmed to CAR Online that a range of tii performance options will be launched soon on the company's smaller models. He has finally ruled out a rumoured M1 version of the 1-series and said the tii spec would be the most performance-oriented model, claiming the the twin-turbo 135i was quite fast enough (it does 0-62mph in 5.3sec, after all).

The tii concept shown at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show points accurately to the approach BMW is developing: performance kits for the 1-series coupe and hatchback, an aero package, carbonfibre details, fatter wheels and tyres, sports seats and instruments. There's even talk of a new M-style steering wheel with integrated LED rev counter.

A tii for the masses

BMW is the past master at offering huge choice in spec and trim; subtle nuance of alloy wheel size here, and Sport spec there is the stuff of workplace car park folklore. The tii spec will slot above today's M sport spec in the multi-faceted pecking order.

However, BMW plans for the tii models to be proper performance cars in the longer run. For instance, the next-gen 1-series, dubbed F20 and due in late 2011, will offer a tii version with a downsized twin-turbo four-cylinder petrol engine and a radically lighter body and chassis, we hear.

The 3-series tii

We'll see the facelifted 3-series this summer - with mild revisions to the lights and bonnet - but there is likely to be a tii model, too. Expect the brakes from the M3, 19in wheels, sports suspension and a new twin-clutch transmission. Again, though, a harder core tii is likely with the next 3-series, codenamed F30 and due in late 2011.
 
I have to be honest. I've known about the Tii models and performance parts for about two weeks now. I was waiting to see if a news article would surface.
 
wow, thats amazing. I think I would probably sell my car (and maybe my soul) today to get my hands on the tii concept 1 series. I cant imagine what the F20/F30 will bring to the table.
 
For the price they are going to charge for it, I'm sure you could do a lot better.
 
I don't get the 4 banger idea. Will they really save that much weight by doing that?

Why not 2,800Lb + 2 midsized turbo (GT28RS please?) v6 putting down 500+hp + LSD = Ferrari killer?
Frankly, that would be plenty to live up to the M1 heritage- it would blow the doors off an original M1. Heck, even a stock 135i is faster than a M1.
 
500hp twin turbos is not what a tii is about.

give us a <2800lb 128tii w/ a proper LSD and wider wheels, and everyone wins.
 
500hp twin turbos is not what a tii is about.

Which would you rather have: 2800lb + 300hp OR 2900lb + 500hp? I think most people would choose the latter. Can't imagine the difference between a 4 and the 6 would be more than 100lbs.

On that note, however, I would still gobble up a tii as you describe :)
 
Which would you rather have: 2800lb + 300hp OR 2900lb + 500hp? I think most people would choose the latter. :)

for the same price, or is the latter twice as expensive, as it would be in the real world? if it was that easy or cheap to build a 500hp, sub-3000lb car, more than zero(?) companies would do it.

i'd prefer a real car i could buy, versus some imaginary supercar that will never come to fruition. if i wanted 3100lbs and 500hp, i'd get a Z06. what i want is a light, tossable BMW.
 
I just can't see it being that difficult to put down 500hp with a tweaked N54.

They are already putting down almost 450 at the crank with nothing but a tune. Slightly larger turbos, maybe some stronger internals, and thats it.

If they can make a 2800lb tii, they can do a 2900lb monster. Think zo6 on a diet (It is a fairly large car after all).
It has been done, but by supercar companies who do not have the benefit of mass production numbers. The koenigsegg ccx weighs 2700lb and has 800hp!. There is also the Noble cars that are far lighter and make 500hp (ish) off a twin turbo v6.

I'm guessing the real reason they won't do it is not for engineering reasons. The supercar market is just not that big, and I'm guessing such a beast would cost at least 60k, which would make selling M3s quite awkward.
 
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Which would you rather have: 2800lb + 300hp OR 2900lb + 500hp? I think most people would choose the latter. Can't imagine the difference between a 4 and the 6 would be more than 100lbs.

On that note, however, I would still gobble up a tii as you describe :)

Uh I'd want the former if it were 30% cheaper.

What I'd really really like is a 128i (3.0L) with LSD that weighed 2400lbs. Not gonna happen, but comprende?
 
Dude, each time I get in my E46 that's 8 years and 108K miles old is ****ing heaven. OK, the struts are about to need replacement but it's otherwise as tight as a cheerleader's ass. Don't foresee ever wanting a daily driver that's not a BMW. Maybe I'll sell this one when it hits 200 or 220K miles and buy another 3-series with 100K. Perfect amount of luxury, perfect amount of sport. And actually quite awesome gas mileage if I go easy. Inline-6 forever.

I say if anyone can't be highly entertained with even the base model engine Bimmers, they're too busy doing juvenile stoplight drag races and not learning how to really drive.

By the way I saw a Z4 with a 2.0 today at the car wash. First thing that tipped me off.... my god are those factory 15 or 16-inch wheels on a Z4?! (Actually looked great! I absolutely hate wheels over 17 inches, with a couple rare exceptions.) 2nd thing... a 2.0 in badge. I must have bad eyesight, isn't that a 3.0? 3rd thing.... owner put the top down... right-hand drive. He dressed vaguely Euro. Must be some British executive who shipped his over to Vegas. Anyway, I'd take any small motor BMW for entertainment over almost any porky autotragic mess with better power.
 
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I just can't see it being that difficult to put down 500hp with a tweaked N54.

reliably, and cheaply enough that they can make a profit? doubt it. it always surprises me what people think is reasonably possible given the parameters a large car company must work within.

i didn't say it was impossible to do, but to use a Noble or a Koenigsegg as an example of what a mass-produced vehicle could be is a little illogical. no one expects their Koenigsegg or Noble to last 100,000+ miles and get them to work every day. those cars are toys for the very wealthy. a 1-series isn't--no matter how powerful it is.

and it's not simply a matter of shoehorning in more power; at those power levels, forces on the car start getting pretty large, and every part of the car has to get stronger. if you need "stronger," you have to choose one: light or cheap. i just don't see a 2900lb, 500hp 1-series as being remotely possible unless BMW doesn't mind losing serious coin on every sale.
 
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