Balance Shaft Removal Kit

[AzMz3]

ive done it twice now and i find it pretty dern easy if you have 2 people to reinstall the belt/compressor. (one to push it in place, the other to screw a bolt in to keep it there and get the rest in)

Extras hands would make it easier.
Just becareful not to cross thread the bolts trying to get the A/C compressor in. I can see that very easy to do.

I used a block of wood and a jack as my extra set of hands. I was able to get it just right were I could place all of the bolts in easy and tighten them down finger tight.

 

[ssinstaller]

Can anyone actually get ahold of Walter??? I've been waiting for my kit since May 27th. I can't get ahold of him on the phone and he never replies to emails.

 

[Brian MP5T]

Apparently this removal of balance shaft thing totally sucks on the 944 and you actuallt loose HP on the dyno...

 

[wicked]

Apparently this removal of balance shaft thing totally sucks on the 944 and you actuallt loose HP on the dyno...

lol,it's the same thing on the 4G63,and the honda H22,you loose HP.
I guess people just think any mod sold for a car must be good.

 

[AzMz3]

lol,it's the same thing on the 4G63,and the honda H22,you loose HP.
I guess people just think any mod sold for a car must be good.

Well we don't have a 944, 4G63 or a H22!
And it has been dyno tested on the Focus 2.3L to show gains.
It also works very well on other cars.

But as stated it is not a mod to gain hp, it is a drivablity mod. And it works pretty good.

I don't see anyway this could make a mazda3 loose hp!

 

[Brian MP5T]

Well we don't have a 944, 4G63 or a H22!
And it has been dyno tested on the Focus 2.3L to show gains.
It also works very well on other cars.

But as stated it is not a mod to gain hp, it is a drivablity mod. And it works pretty good.

I don't see anyway this could make a mazda3 loose hp!

Ok, Here is an idea for you then.

Push a Scooter with Centereed wheels front and rear and see how far it goes.

Push a scooter with off Centered wheels and see how far it does not.

It takes energy to move a mass such as an engine against motor mounts to make vibration. If the engine does not move, that energy will go elsewhere.. Your TIRES.

 

[AzMz3]

Ok, Here is an idea for you then.

Push a Scooter with Centereed wheels front and rear and see how far it goes.

Push a scooter with off Centered wheels and see how far it does not.

It takes energy to move a mass such as an engine against motor mounts to make vibration. If the engine does not move, that energy will go elsewhere.. Your TIRES.

Do you even know how the balance shafts in the Mazda3 2.3L looks like or works?
Judging by your Scooter example! I say you don't!
Besides that doesn't even make the slightest sense!

Herb

 

[Brian MP5T]

Do you even know how the balance shafts in the Mazda3 2.3L looks like or works?
Judging by your Scooter example! I say you don't!
Besides that doesn't even make the slightest sense!

Herb

You are thinking that

One, I don't know..
Two, that removing rotating mass is a performance mod.

I'm telling you that it's simply not there for looks and/or to make the car nice and smooth for granny to go to the store. There is alot more going on and I'm saying that blindly removing the balance shafts will have a negative or minimal power gain. Try the Flywheel or somwhere else...

 

[Brian MP5T]

Judging by your Scooter example! I say you don't!
Besides that doesn't even make the slightest sense!
Herb

Think of it this way. (I can't believe I'm making a new example just so your sorry ass understands....)

Have you ever been on a Monutain Bike with a soft rear suspension up a hill. Every time you pump the pedal, the suspension absorbs some of the energy and the rest goes to moving you.

It's the same here, by canceling out the harmonic vibration of the moving mass of the engine, the energy is conserved and the motor mount does not have to absorb the vibration. The result is Two Fold, the car will be smoother and more effecient. You don't just think they put it there for show do you?? Porsche and Mitz have been doing this for 20 Years.. The only negative to the setup is that there is more rotating mass, and a Chain/Belt to drive them. This can easily be counteracted with a lighter flywheel.

 

[Brian MP5T]

[font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]The shafts are set with centres equidistant from the crankshaft axis and their centres are 0.7 of the length of the connecting rod. This system was used in the 2.4L Porsche 944 engine in the 1980s and was claimed to reduce the engine noise by 20Db.[/font] [font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Ford has used a Secondary Balancing system, apparently of their own design, in the 2.3DOHC engine. The two shafts are set at the same height but below the crankshaft, in bearings in the sump immersed in the oil. Plastic covers over the counterweights prevent foaming in the oil, and the shafts are driven by helical gears and a simplex chain from the crank sprocket. It is in this way that they have produced a very refined, smooth engine with all the advantages of weight saving, size and simplicity over a 6. The resulting engine is mechanically similar to the DOHC2000 but with a larger bore and with an increased height because of the balancer module.[/font]

[font=arial, Arial, Helvetica]Used first in the Scorpio, the engine produced enthusiastic reports from the motoring press which generally commented on the smoothness and refinement of the engine. Producing 145bhp and with enhanced torque, it was perhaps the obvious choice for the new Explorer. In this vehicle the engine mountings and manifolds have been redesigned for a transverse layout.[/font]

 

[AzMz3]

You are thinking that

One, I don't know..
Two, that removing rotating mass is a performance mod.

I'm telling you that it's simply not there for looks and/or to make the car nice and smooth for granny to go to the store. There is alot more going on and I'm saying that blindly removing the balance shafts will have a negative or minimal power gain. Try the Flywheel or somwhere else...

I guess it is comfirmed that you don't know how it works and what it is for.
It is just funny how simple it is, yet people who don't understand it make it super complicated!
As stated it was dyno test to make hp/tq and there is nothing negative about it. I have had it on for many many miles.
Your same arguement is made by everyone that doesn't understand how it works. Just search the internet and see!
Blindly speaking without knowing! (hah)

Seriously you need to understand how they actually work before you judge. And yes they are just for canceling out engine vibrations for the grannies!

Herb

 

[Brian MP5T]

I guess it is comfirmed that you don't know how it works and what it is for.
It is just funny how simple it is, yet people who don't understand it make it super complicated!
As stated it was dyno test to make hp/tq and there is nothing negative about it. I have had it on for many many miles.
Your same arguement is made by everyone that doesn't understand how it works. Just search the internet and see!
Blindly speaking without knowing! (hah)

Seriously you need to understand how they actually work before you judge. And yes they are just for canceling out engine vibrations for the grannies!

Herb

BTW: You did not comment on the Flywheel as being a better way to free up rotating mass..

 

[AzMz3]

Think of it this way. (I can't believe I'm making a new example just so your sorry ass understands....)

Have you ever been on a Monutain Bike with a soft rear suspension up a hill. Every time you pump the pedal, the suspension absorbs some of the energy and the rest goes to moving you.

It's the same here, by canceling out the harmonic vibration of the moving mass of the engine, the energy is conserved and the motor mount does not have to absorb the vibration. The result is Two Fold, the car will be smoother and more effecient. You don't just think they put it there for show do you?? Porsche and Mitz have been doing this for 20 Years.. The only negative to the setup is that there is more rotating mass, and a Chain/Belt to drive them. This can easily be counteracted with a lighter flywheel.

So why is it that the 2.3L Ford ranger and Mazda 2300 does not have these desperately need balance shafts.

And why commit on the flywheel that has nothing to do with the balance shafts which is the main discussion.

Herb

 

[Speed_Racer]

IMO, balance shafts are not something to be tinkered with unless your planning on balancing the reciprocating assembly.

I only say that because 2.0L eclipses used to have problems with this, removing the shafts without balancing the internals and then getting slight vibrations or other noises etc... now none of this was catastrophic, but just a thought.

I personally wouldn't do it, when some people are going out of there way to get rid of vibration and resonance with aftermarket harmonic balancers and dampeners.

 

[Da 6]

It's been around for a lil bit now. If I wasn't selling the car I would to this and spin on conversion in a heartbeat.

 

[AzMz3]

IMO, balance shafts are not something to be tinkered with unless your planning on balancing the reciprocating assembly.

I only say that because 2.0L eclipses used to have problems with this, removing the shafts without balancing the internals and then getting slight vibrations or other noises etc... now none of this was catastrophic, but just a thought.

I personally wouldn't do it, when some people are going out of there way to get rid of vibration and resonance with aftermarket harmonic balancers and dampeners.

WOW over a year old.

The balance shafts do not have any effect positive or negative with the balancing of the reciprocating assembly!

As stated many many times they are a NVH refinement!

I have had BSD kit for about 20000 miles with more than half with a turbo!

 

[MrTea]

...so you are saying the BS is like a flywheel....i get it now!!!

 

[ptperformance]

So can you guys get the BS removal kit from the other company? If not let me know and I will see what I can do about getting one ready for you, thanks.

 

[Brian MP5T]

IMO, balance shafts are not something to be tinkered with unless your planning on balancing the reciprocating assembly.

It has nothing to do with the balance of the crank and pistons. It has to do more with the geometry within the engines design. The shafts precicely counteract the natural inertia motion that this particular engine makes.

As I said, so much more gain can be found at the Flywheel without giving up the reliability and smothness of the ballance shaft system.

 

[wicked]

It has nothing to do with the balance of the crank and pistons. It has to do more with the geometry within the engines design. The shafts precicely counteract the natural inertia motion that this particular engine makes.

As I said, so much more gain can be found at the Flywheel without giving up the reliability and smothness of the ballance shaft system.

and the funny thing is you get considerably more gain out of a fly wheel the you would removing your balence shaft.



F-ing people are always looking for stupid ass ways to improve performance yet a lot and up decreasing it.

your the same kind of guys who remove your interior from you daily driver to shed wieght.