Back from double knee surgery...

Matthew

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Wow, lots of pain, but damn it went quick. I went under completely and was supposed to have my Meniscus trimmed based on MRI results, however, when the doctor went in, he found that the torn pieces showing in the MRI were actual Plica and not Menisci, so, he removed the problematic pieces.

However, I'm a bit unsure in laymans terms what Plica is exatly. I'm on 500MG of Darvoset and my understanding of what I'm reading on Google is a bit unclear. I understand that the Plica is formed at birth etc etc, I just am not too clear on what could have caused it, how the recovery from that as opposed to Meniscus will change, etc, and because when I was at the hospital I was a bit too drugged up from anesthesia for the doctor to explain, I have to use the net or wait till my follow up to truly understand.

Anyone have this done or anything? It's a b**** cause its both of my knees not just one lol.
 
GHOSTWHISPER said:
WTF dude, your gay. My cousin had something like this he recovered quite quick, but i am not to sure what it is either.
Come on Ghosty it was just a mention to every thread that dear ole Matty starts gets drug down into a flame war by haters :)
Good luck with your knees. So how did you wear those knees out so fast? (bj)

WAS JOKE DAMN IT!!!!

Matt get well you argumenitive bastard. (mj)
 
Matthew said:
Wow, lots of pain, but damn it went quick. I went under completely and was supposed to have my Meniscus trimmed based on MRI results, however, when the doctor went in, he found that the torn pieces showing in the MRI were actual Plica and not Menisci, so, he removed the problematic pieces.

However, I'm a bit unsure in laymans terms what Plica is exatly. I'm on 500MG of Darvoset and my understanding of what I'm reading on Google is a bit unclear. I understand that the Plica is formed at birth etc etc, I just am not too clear on what could have caused it, how the recovery from that as opposed to Meniscus will change, etc, and because when I was at the hospital I was a bit too drugged up from anesthesia for the doctor to explain, I have to use the net or wait till my follow up to truly understand.

Anyone have this done or anything? It's a b**** cause its both of my knees not just one lol.
You should go for Physical Therapy ASAP usually, but i don't know how severe the extent of the surgery, nevertheless, it's both knee so you should ask your orthopedic surgeon who did the surgery, if you can be referred to a PT. A plica is like a floating soft tissue underneath the knee cap and usually goes away as we grow older, apparently your plica didn't melt away when you're growing up, so it was restricting the gliding movement of the patella to the thigh bone or the knee joint itself that's why you were having pain prior to surgery. I hope you recover fast....if you need to ask me PM me, i'm a physical therapist anyways.
ian (rei)
 
I think what you're saying Matt is that you had arhtroscopic knee surgery. I've assisted in around 100 of those. I usually assist in over 100 cataract surgeries per month, hence my screen name, so knees are not my forte. What I can tell you about plica has already been said. With having both knees done at the same time, your Dr. probably didn't think much about your recovery. I mean the guy probably thinks you'll be just fine. He probably just used a "shaver" or a wand to cauterize and shrink the plica. Anyway, you will be in some pretty wicked pain for a short time. The recovery process should be quick also. Other than 3 or 4 small scars, (about 1-2 cm long) you should be as good as new. Good luck with it.
 
Matthew said:
Wow, lots of pain, but damn it went quick. I went under completely and was supposed to have my Meniscus trimmed based on MRI results, however, when the doctor went in, he found that the torn pieces showing in the MRI were actual Plica and not Menisci, so, he removed the problematic pieces.

However, I'm a bit unsure in laymans terms what Plica is exatly. I'm on 500MG of Darvoset and my understanding of what I'm reading on Google is a bit unclear. I understand that the Plica is formed at birth etc etc, I just am not too clear on what could have caused it, how the recovery from that as opposed to Meniscus will change, etc, and because when I was at the hospital I was a bit too drugged up from anesthesia for the doctor to explain, I have to use the net or wait till my follow up to truly understand.

Anyone have this done or anything? It's a b**** cause its both of my knees not just one lol.

As has been mentioned by others a plica is a normal, vestigial (read: redundant, and unnecessary in adulthood) remnant of soft tissue left over within the joint compartment.

Think of your knee as a hinge joining 2 pieces of wood together. In order for the joint to stay lubricated it is bathed in fluid/oil called synovial fluid. So that the fluid doesn't leak all over the place the joint itself is surrounded by the joint capsule...something like a plastic bag.

At birth when the joint capsule is formed it doesn't look the way it does as an adult. It generally has more tissue and it is attached at more places than it is now. As an embryo develops in the womb, much of the extra tissue and extra connections are reabsorbed by the body. Sometimes some of the extra tissue gets left behind. The plica is a case in point.

The problem with the plica is that it happens to stretch across the joint capsule right at the spot where the femur and tibia (read: thigh bone and shin bone) come together. Depending on the size of the plica, some of the tissue can get pinched in the joint. Since the joint capsule has nerve endings that sense pain, when the tissue is pinched between the bones it hurts like a mo'fo'. A plica is a common cause of knee pain in young people. About 1 in 4 people has one, although not all of these people have problems. It is not preventable and is not brought on by any action of your own. It is just a roll of the genetic dice.

When we take it out it is like taking a pebble out of a shoe. When you step on the pebble it hurts, when you take it out you feel better. Same principle in general.

Soft tissues don't like to be cut, especially those rich in nerve endings. The plica is soft tissue. You can expect it to hurt for several days, but it should quickly become bearable. It will probably ache for about 6 weeks overall...the length of time it takes soft tissues to heal. Your knee will also swell with activity for about the same time, perhaps a bit longer. That is normal too.

I have had two meniscal repairs and a partial menisectomy on my left knee, and a partial menisectomy on my right knee. I can empathize about the pain. The first 2-3 nights are the worst. It gets better after that. Ice definitely helps, as does a tensor at night. However, you shouldn't need the pain killers for very long.

After my second meniscal repair, we were short-staffed at our hospital. I was not allowed to take off any time other than the day of my surgery. I had to be on-call the following day. Since I had to operate and see patients in emerg, I couldn't take any narcotics for pain. My leg was locked straight in a brace and I was hobbling around on crutches. I remember standing up at the operating table thinking that my knee was being stabbed by a flaming knife all day long.

It does get better, believe me. Of course, having both knees done at the same time sucks, but apart from the plica, you can walk comfortably with a meniscal trimming (partial menisectomy) the same day.

R
 
eyeguy said:
With having both knees done at the same time, your Dr. probably didn't think much about your recovery. I mean the guy probably thinks you'll be just fine.

Kinda makes you wonder what he was thinking huh? Usually we would stage these unless the patient was adamant about only having one anaesthetic exposure.

R
 
no he suggested it wouldnt be a problem. meanwhile im in so much pain right now that my hands tremble. only reason im on the computer is because i couldn t make it from the br to the living room where my wife is...and im taking a break.

add that to the fact that im allergic to codine, my stupid darvoset isnt helping at all.
 
I have had knee surgery, I had a plate bolted to my right tibia because the bungie clip broke on a bridge jump.(luckly i was falling at about 1mph and was 5 feet off the ground.) Before that my right leg got caut in my friends dirtbike wheel and I ended up with a spiral fractur to the tibia,. I was in several types of casts for a total of 10 months.
 
Not particularly knowledgeable about the efficacy of Darvocet as we do not prescribe it here. Typically, I would prescribe T#3 for post-op analgesia of moderate level. If I expected higher pain levels (or the patient had a Codeine allergy) I would probably prescribe a small amount of Oxycocet or even Hydromorphone if required. I haven't found Demerol to be very effective for MSK pain.

If you alternate your Darvocet with an anti-inflammatory you might get better relief. Also try the ice for 20 min every 2 hrs. Don't forget to elevate your leg as well. Keep in mind that narcotics tend to make your gut feel terrible so expect this side effect while you are taking them.

Pain is a nasty thing. When you experience pain your pain receptors become more sensitive to the stimulus that set them off, so if you happen to let your pain get the best of you it will be harder to control it than if you had been on top of it from the start. Best thing is to get on top of it from the get-go and then you can stop the analgesia much quicker than otherwise.

R
 
ive done all that stuff, today it is much better. i started taking the darvocet with 800mg motrin...
 
Darvocet is propoxyphene and acetaminophen (tylenol). It's a very weak narcotic painkiller. I'm surpised they didn't give you something stronger like hydrocodone (Vicodin) or oxycodone (Percocet).
 
Also Darvocet comes in 50mg and 100mg strengths...ask your doctor if it's OK for you to take 2 at a time (should be).
 
jersey_emt said:
Darvocet is propoxyphene and acetaminophen (tylenol). It's a very weak narcotic painkiller. I'm surpised they didn't give you something stronger like hydrocodone (Vicodin) or oxycodone (Percocet).

like i said, im allergic to anything with codine in it...like hydrocodone...

no, the darvocet is 500mg. he gave me the 500mg so that i could take two if necessary (i just got off the phone with him) because the next up is 650mg and he said you shouldnt take more than 1k mg at a time...
 
I had my acl replaced back in 98 ...that s*** hurt like a b**** for along time....therapy was horrible.Those fuckers started to bent my knee 15 to 20 deg.increments per therepy secion after 5 days from the surgery..that was real painfull.......but it was all worth it. So stop crying dude.....lol...lol.
 

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