1sty, just curious, why do you feel ed is crap? I've used some of their older subs (namely a 12O, a buddy has a couple of eu700's) which played incredibly low, had great detail with no boominess whatsoever, all for a good price. I used that sub for over two years with no problems. Has their newer stuff gone downhill? My previous subs were a JL 10W1, a JL 12W6 and an Infinity Reference 12. None of them came close to the 12O in output or sq.
eD is a fraud in my opinon. Until very recently they were just picking speaker parts from catalogs and paying someone else to assemble them. There was no real engineering to speak off. Also they have screwed over a good many people and one of them was this audio sections former moderater. They took pcitures of someone elses speakers and pretended they were damaged by him. This was completely fake.
Also I have yet to EVER hear a product of theirs that was anything above mediocure. Most of them were dead within the year and for no error of the users. This was the case for amps, subs, and door speakers which were rebandged CDTs with bad middrivers which failed.
eD was another example of a substandard company playing off of uneducated buyers reviews. They figured that since someone said they were as good as JL or others, that they were. They were not even in the same legue in my opinion but since they were cheap they must be good. If you want a much better alternative I would look at RE audio although there build quailty leaves something to be desired in my observation.
Perhaps its just my opinion but I have lived through their complete BS and they screwed over a friend. Search on Posuer and eD for that one.
Me and a few others were banned for exposing this on eDs website.
Krimson...
with sound deadening, I agree Cascade or Secondskin is awesome and lighter then raammat, but the money doesn't go near as far. Also, the newest release of Raammat BXT is very VERY good, and might beat those two these days (with exception to weight, because it is still as heavy as typical Dynamat extreme.) The new design is 100% butyl based, instead of part asphalt, part butyl. I'm being very basic here but essentially Rick had major problems with the previous design, so he went full-bore with butyl, and hasn't looked back. He stands behind the product as I demonstrated before in this thread, and I trust that level of commitment. I also really, REALLY like Ensolite, and I think it makes his product competitive with the very best brands out there when you put both of his products together in the doors, floors, and walls. The combo is nearly unbeatable for the price, and perhaps at any price.
And as you probably know, eD has absolutely nothing on par with a W7.thank you man ******* THANK YOU eD IS GARBAGE! i dont know why my brother keeps dumping money into them. With the amount of money he's spent just to attack JL, thinking JL is garbage because its expensive is stupid, he could have bought 3 W7's. he's trying to compare a 15" to a JL's 13W7 which is amazing with what that little 13" and do! its proposterous to have believed in my brother and i shouldnt have boughten ANY eD product. ANY!
I didn't know Ed has such a checkered history, maybe I just got lucky with my sub. I hate hype, especially internet hype but it get's harder and harder as few shops have much product selection to actually hear stuff, leaving me to read hundreds of reviews in hopes of finding something decent. I think for this car I'm going to need a shallow-depth sub, I've only found Pioneer, Kicker and Ed, JL's coming out with one soon. Does anyone know of any other reputable brands that make one? Oh and 4thmeal, between you and all the diyma reviews I think I'm sold on the Premier PRS720 set for my front components, it sounds like they don't have any of the characteristics I didn't like about my previous Focal K2P set.
Krimson keep in mind that BXT Raammat has had a formula change since that test was conducted. At the time of the test, it was butyl-based with mineral filler (similar to asphalt.) After the test and after some issues the formula was reconfigured to be fully butyl. This was because some of the black material would get on stuff like your hands, clothes, and parts of your car. Changing to butyl fixed this permanently. It also upgraded the products' performance without going to a higher price, despite Rick obviously paying more for butyl.
1sty - Nice to know that JL has that sub now, but when I was building this, it was a concept...<edit> I can't find it on their website...grrr.
pioneer and sony all the way !!! ;-)
