anybody race a nissan spec v in here?

[SpicyMSP]

allright my bad, i meant to post SRT VS MSP.
And i never said... BRO, that you had posted about the SRT.
I said i want going to argue that point.
And the fact that anyone could have comprehended your last post is amazing to me.

 

[buster]

Right, I'm sure that makes all the difference right there.



Have you looked at the suspension? It's not even going to be close. Again, this is modification, if the factory did things right in the first place you wouldn't have to think about this.

Another thing, did you forget that the SRT-4 is equipped with an OPEN diff, you try out-handling a MSP while spinning that inside tire.... don't think it's going to be much of a match. The only thing the SRT-4 carries is straight-line acceleration, after that its just another American Muscle car aimed towards a younger market.

I am not saying that it makes all the difference, but you can not tell me that it doesn't matter quite a bit. Ask anyone who has spent a good chunk of time in autoX how much tires can make up.
Have you looked at the suspension? The Neon suspension has always been awesome. I am not saying the SRT4 suspension couldn't be better from the factory, but look at the motor! For the same price as the MSP you get tons of motor and some small needed upgrades for the suspension. The MSP is all suspension, not that the motor sucks, but it could use a little more juice and I don't think it is going to easy to upgrade power levels. If the factory did this in the first place.....

Do you ever read Grassroots Motorsports? I know most people respect their views and reviews a lot more than other mags because they are so into autoX and racing. It is a racing mag. I have a review that I am going to post in a minute.

 

[tritonheat1]

OK my point towards braiden with the MS-P and SpecV, was that if that quote flashed his memory about the 2 guys knowing him, and the fact that he seen one of them with a specV, like i said through the post back on topic, I own a 91 MX-6 GT so me beating my friend's SpecV with his Spec modded i still whoop on him by 2car lenghs. My theory was that the MS-P should be no different from my MX-6 GT, maybe the MS-P is alittle quicker but in the same Categories as the Spec and MX-6GT. Catch my drift or is it running over your head. this is just an example i'm comparing though.


MS-P has 170hp and 160ft-lbs torque


while my 91 MX-6 GT has: 145hp and 190ft-lbs torque.

 

[4DRMP5ATR]

yeah i've raced one beat it off the line but lost after 2nd....all well i dont care i'm heavier and slower.....big deal.....right

 

[buster]

"Why no limited slip with all that power, and doesn't the car just smoke the inside front tire?
For the answer to the first question we consulted PVO engineer and longtime GRM bud Gary Johnson. To paraphrase, Garybasically told us tales of not being able to get the handling balance dialed in for the "average buyer" of the product while using words like "overcomplication" and "unnecessary." He also stressed how they wanted to stay under the $20, 000 mark with this car, and adding a LSD simply didn't add up for the money men.

The answer to the second part of the question came from our own laps in the car on the Streets of Willow circuit.....
Our opinion, In stock form, on stock tires, the SRT4 is not hurt at all by it's lack of LSD. There we said it. Truthfully, the turbo Neon puts down power amazingly well."

This was quoted in the Feb issue of Grassroots Motorsports.

 

[turboge]

OK my point towards braiden with the MS-P and SpecV, was that if that quote flashed his memory about the 2 guys knowing him, and the fact that he seen one of them with a specV, like i said through the post back on topic

The name is Braden, and yes I remember both of them, Jaime is a friend of mine and I hooked him up with a turbo motor for his protege.

I own a 91 MX-6 GT so me beating my friend's SpecV with his Spec modded i still whoop on him by 2car lenghs.

Remember take it to a track to prove it, I know the old 6 was fast and can be turned into a mid-high 14 second car without many mods.

My theory was that the MS-P should be no different from my MX-6 GT, maybe the MS-P is alittle quicker but in the same Categories as the Spec and MX-6GT.

They are nowhere near the same, 2.2L turbo vs a 2.0L turbo. Your torque comes from displacement and that is what makes the car quicker. Again handling, the MS-P was built for that, and the old 6 won't come anywhere near it.

Catch my drift or is it running over your head. this is just an example i'm comparing though.

I catch your drift, but don't talk down to her. Alright?

MS-P has 170hp and 160ft-lbs torque
MX-6 has 145hp and 190ft-lbs torque.

Spec V has 175hp and 180-lbs torque. Whats your point there? Efficiency to the ground and gearing are what make the cars differ. Let alone the driver.

 

[tritonheat1]

The name is Braden, and yes I remember both of them, Jaime is a friend of mine and I hooked him up with a turbo motor for his protege.



Remember take it to a track to prove it, I know the old 6 was fast and can be turned into a mid-high 14 second car without many mods.



They are nowhere near the same, 2.2L turbo vs a 2.0L turbo. Your torque comes from displacement and that is what makes the car quicker. Again handling, the MS-P was built for that, and the old 6 won't come anywhere near it.



I catch your drift, but don't talk down to her. Alright?



Spec V has 175hp and 180-lbs torque. Whats your point there? Efficiency to the ground and gearing are what make the cars differ. Let alone the driver.

well, nice to hear that you are a friend of Jaime's, he always cruises mooney's blvd, on saturday nights which it is always packed and all of us hang out. But not to get off topic, My post was that my MX-6 GT has 10 more torque and gives up 30hp to the SpecV which his car is modded and overall i still whoop him by 2car lenghs. the MS-P put's out 25 more hp than my mx-6 which it is also turbochared with more boost and LSD. So i am pretty sure that the MS-P would beat my MX-6 GT and also the SpecV, not by much but beat both cars IMO.

 

[slug420]

id like to give a shout out to ray ray your 91 mx6 triton....w00t w00t!

 

[tritonheat1]

id like to give a shout out to ray ray your 91 mx6 triton....w00t w00t!

Uuummm ookkkk yahhhh...

 

[buster]

I still say that it is gonna be close at a 1/4 mile track with the MSP and Spec. Local autoX is going to see the MSP come out ahead for sure in the staock class.

 

[1sty]

I have....on numerous occasions.

MP3+Spec V=MP3 smoked
MP3+Turbo+Spec V=Spec V smoked!!!

I'll second that!

 

[tritonheat1]

Braden i just got off the phone with Jaime, He told me that you own your own company called (BLP) barely legal transplant. He also stated that you own a 90 white LX with the BPt turbo and that your running 13's. Also you R using the (My Head from my old 94 Protege LX on your BPT. BTW i just asked him if u came down here, and he said u did one time, long time ago. If u ever feel like doing a Meet up againg maybe Jaime, me and couple people from the navy base will meet up.

 

[buster]

I am not saying that it makes all the difference, but you can not tell me that it doesn't matter quite a bit. Ask anyone who has spent a good chunk of time in autoX how much tires can make up.
Have you looked at the suspension? The Neon suspension has always been awesome. I am not saying the SRT4 suspension couldn't be better from the factory, but look at the motor! For the same price as the MSP you get tons of motor and some small needed upgrades for the suspension. The MSP is all suspension, not that the motor sucks, but it could use a little more juice and I don't think it is going to easy to upgrade power levels. If the factory did this in the first place.....

Do you ever read Grassroots Motorsports? I know most people respect their views and reviews a lot more than other mags because they are so into autoX and racing. It is a racing mag. I have a review that I am going to post in a minute.

Whats wrong, Turboge? Cat got your tounge?

 

[Lawerence]

LOL, sorry, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek there.
I did mean the last bit about it being thirsty for a 4-cylinder. I know it does ok in goverment testing, but I've seen several threads on the Sentra forum about "real-world" fuel consumption being a bit high.

its cool just wanted to make shure.
I mean the VQ35 (max engine) and QR25 (ser engine) are very very different.

But yes I avereged about 18 mpg city, 22hwy...which is pretty bad for a 4cyl.

 

[Daemos]

BING BING BING, we have a winner!

just look at this example, the SVT focus and SER SpecV both use the same continental tires. But everyone agrees that the SVT focus has better handling out of the box. Tires matter, but when you get down to it, its the suspension geometry that puts the tires to use...and on the MSP the suspension happens to kick serious ass.

On the other hand neons have always been notoriously good at autoXing. And I expect the SRT-4 Will probably be the best yet...but it will not touch the msp even with the same exact tires (of course it would need bigger wheels for the tires to fit, but thats beside the point).

yep..but also don't forget, SCC in the april 02 mag pulled off a .88 lat grip and a 70.2 mph on the slalom for a Spec V.

But I agree, the stock suspension on the spec could still use alot of work. But I mean if SCC can pull off a .88 g with the spec, then pull off a .89 on the MSP...It would seem the MSP is alot easier to drive hard into the curves than the spec stock for stock, since all the spec likes to do if you don't know how to drive it is, well roll and tobble alot (if you understand what I mean). I'm not here to defend anything..just stating more facts

[/quote]I forgot, your car was a gift from god and can beat everything.

Have you ever ran your car at the track?
I need to update my sig, because my best stock time is a 15.1......but my best time ever (in the spec) is a 14.3[/quote]

seriously though...he does think his car can beat anything.

 

[Lawerence]

well, nice to hear that you are a friend of Jaime's, he always cruises mooney's blvd, on saturday nights which it is always packed and all of us hang out. But not to get off topic, My post was that my MX-6 GT has 10 more torque and gives up 30hp to the SpecV which his car is modded and overall i still whoop him by 2car lenghs. the MS-P put's out 25 more hp than my mx-6 which it is also turbochared with more boost and LSD. So i am pretty sure that the MS-P would beat my MX-6 GT and also the SpecV, not by much but beat both cars IMO.

You need to understand something, but first I am going to tell you a little story to help you see the big picture.
I was with a couple of friends and a Mustang GT thinks he was hot s*** and started throwing me revs. We were going about 50 and punched it. He pulled ahead by a nose, then he shifted and fell back...never to be seen again. Now this has happened numerous times (against different mustangs) and Im always happy when I beat anyone. But the fact is I beat the driver, not the car. If there was a good driver behind the wheel all I would have seen is taillights.

Now Im not shure what a MX-6 GT runs stock, but I imagine it would be a drivers race with the specV. If you go over to b15sentra.net and look in the best 1/4 mile time post. You will see stock specvs run anywhere from 16.00 (yes 16!!!) to 15.09 (best stock time I know of). And the MSP is definitely not that much faster, it might be able to muster a 14.8 in the 1/4 put that against the best specV 15.09 and the MSP wouldnt even win by more than a carlength.

*cliff notes* SpecV vs. MSP IS A DRIVERS RACE

 

[Daemos]

originally posted by Lawerence

BING BING BING, we have a winner!

just look at this example, the SVT focus and SER SpecV both use the same continental tires. But everyone agrees that the SVT focus has better handling out of the box. Tires matter, but when you get down to it, its the suspension geometry that puts the tires to use...and on the MSP the suspension happens to kick serious ass.

On the other hand neons have always been notoriously good at autoXing. And I expect the SRT-4 Will probably be the best yet...but it will not touch the msp even with the same exact tires (of course it would need bigger wheels for the tires to fit, but thats beside the point).

Agreed. But don't forget the in the april 02 issue of SCC SCC recoreded a .88g for the lat grip for the spec, and a 70.2 mph in the slalom.

But yes, the Spec's suspension could use alot of work, espically in the rear. But it's hard to also dismiss the fact that the MSP uses 140 rated tires. But then, the MSP pulled a .89 g, and a 70.3 mph in the Jan 03 issue of SCC. But in what I've read, a less experienced driver in the MSP could out drive a little more experienced driver in the Spec...because really, if you don't really know EXACTLY how to drive the spec on corners, it'll tip and wobble, and not be very nice, if you do (sometimes I fluke it out) it'll just well go perfectly, and stick to the damned road, but then again, those are flukes. My friend, who's owned his spec for about 7 months more than me, and who's been driving for a long time, can make his spec stick in corners in most situations, when I'll make mine just go bleh

so in the MSP the driver's skill is less important, because the car's suspension setup makes a diffrence.

With the spec...well how well the driver knows the car is quite important, because the suspension, although it's setup is alright...it has alot of quirks to it, and if you get around those quirks...you can do really well...even though, the msp will still (with the best recorded numbers) the msp will still be slightly ahead.

I forgot, your car was a gift from god and can beat everything.

Have you ever ran your car at the track?
I need to update my sig, because my best stock time is a 15.1......but my best time ever (in the spec) is a 14.3

Acctually he DOES believe his mx6 can smoke anything...you should of seen him before you signed up here

oh yea btw...my friend when he chagned his tires from the stock contis and went to Potenza Pole S-03s his best well I guess "stock" cept for the tires 1/4 time was like 14.9 and some decimal places.

But technically the car isn't stock anymore.

 

[1sty]

I'd agree with the driver race but a less experienced driver could take a better if the lesser had the MSP. Easier to make up for mistake with a turbo and higher torque.

Speakeing of Mustangs, you should have seen the look on the guy with the mustang Corbras face after he though he had pulled away from me and then noticed I was still at his fender.

The Stock MX-6 would be drasticly outmatched by a Spec-V.

 

[turboge]

I still think you are not giving the SRT4 it's full deserved marks in the handling department.

I gave it props, thats all I'll give it. Take a closer look before posting.

The motor has LOTS of room for improvement in power and the driveline will handle more as well. Shouldn't the MSP be making more power from it's 2.0 Turbo?

Does it? Is it proven? Where are your facts? Should the MSP be making more power? Sure, but it doesn't need it. You might want to take a look at the size of the turbo's on these motors. A small T25 on a 2.0L running 6.9psi with very light tuning, I think thats rather conservative in comparison to a 16G on a 2.4L running ... last I checked 12psi. Swap turbo's and see what happens.

The suspension of the Neon is very good and it is a good thing they didn't change it, there is nothing wrong with it.

Mute point, as we see this is an opinion.

I don't care if you think it is ugly, looks are subjective, and @ less than 5000 cars in the first year, I hardly think every "punk kid" is going to have one. No different than the MSP in this category as well.

Less than 5000, thats 100 per state, the MSP is limited to a total run of 3000 for 1 year. You better believe they will be swarming the streets of LA and other popular street racing districts.

Your arguement is seriously flawed, and obviously you are very biased.

I don't post arguments, only statements, these contain facts and opinions. If there are flaws then you should counter them instead of just saying "seriously flawed", thats just like saying "Mommy Mommy johnny hit me" and expecting her to take care of your problems.

YOU are the one who has thrown the verbal jabs here.

Hmm, I do recall a part of this post where you were looking for provocation?

What's a matter turboge, cat's got your tongue?

So try to keep the "verbal jabs" comments in the peanut gallery.

It seems obvious to me that you need to look down your nose at every other car, and "punk kids" for some reason I can not understand.

I review cars, I test cars, I tune cars. "Punk Kids" are the ones driving around altezza'd out civics, understand better? I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours. So I will let you do the same, and you can respond if you have something worthwhile to say about this topic. Otherwise, just keep reading.

 

[SpicyMSP]

TURBOGE SAYS.....

I still think you are not giving the SRT4 it's full deserved marks in the handling department.

I gave it props, thats all I'll give it. Take a closer look before posting.

The motor has LOTS of room for improvement in power and the driveline will handle more as well. Shouldn't the MSP be making more power from it's 2.0 Turbo?

Does it? Is it proven? Where are your facts? Should the MSP be making more power? Sure, but it doesn't need it. You might want to take a look at the size of the turbo's on these motors. A small T25 on a 2.0L running 6.9psi with very light tuning, I think thats rather conservative in comparison to a 16G on a 2.4L running ... last I checked 12psi. Swap turbo's and see what happens.

The suspension of the Neon is very good and it is a good thing they didn't change it, there is nothing wrong with it.

Mute point, as we see this is an opinion.

I don't care if you think it is ugly, looks are subjective, and @ less than 5000 cars in the first year, I hardly think every "punk kid" is going to have one. No different than the MSP in this category as well.

Less than 5000, thats 100 per state, the MSP is limited to a total run of 3000 for 1 year. You better believe they will be swarming the streets of LA and other popular street racing districts.

Your arguement is seriously flawed, and obviously you are very biased.

I don't post arguments, only statements, these contain facts and opinions. If there are flaws then you should counter them instead of just saying "seriously flawed", thats just like saying "Mommy Mommy johnny hit me" and expecting her to take care of your problems.

YOU are the one who has thrown the verbal jabs here.

Hmm, I do recall a part of this post where you were looking for provocation?

What's a matter turboge, cat's got your tongue?

So try to keep the "verbal jabs" comments in the peanut gallery.

It seems obvious to me that you need to look down your nose at every other car, and "punk kids" for some reason I can not understand.

I review cars, I test cars, I tune cars. "Punk Kids" are the ones driving around altezza'd out civics, understand better? I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours. So I will let you do the same, and you can respond if you have something worthwhile to say about this topic. Otherwise, just keep reading.