Another blown engine

[perfworks]

I don't mean to be an asshole or anything. I'm just saying that if you really truly love the Protege and want it to be FI, you need to SERIOUSLY consider a piggy back that can actively control timing and fuel. The J&S is also a HUGE help for that "just incase" everything else fails. But the main reason I decided to not keep going with my MP3 is that the cost greatly outweighed the benefits.

To explain this better, my payment went from $331/month to $335/month. And ask Patrick who won our race last night. He even got a better start than I did. But by the end of second gear, I was in the lead and constantly pulling away. His car has at least 50ft/lbs more torque than mine, but it's still no match. And the potential in my car is much greater.

Here's another scenario. A full turbo kit with exhaust, timing and fuel control etc. will run approximately $4000 to $5000 after all your tuning and tweaking is done. A Comptech Supercharger will run me about $4000 then another $250 for the VAFC to control my fuel. After it's all installed and done, the Protege is only putting down 240hp at the most to the ground. My car is putting down 290hp to 310hp at the wheels at only 6psi. And don't even argue about the looks. Unless you are just more into the sedan look, the S2000 has looks hands down.

But, with that said, I understand that it's hard to walk away sometimes after you invested all that time, money, blood, and sweat. It was hard for me, but I am damn glad I did it. Because right now I'm getting 25 miles per gallon, 200hp at the rear wheels, REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!!!, and a damn good looking car. And I don't even have to open the hood if I don't want. Absolutely ZERO tweaking! Just change the oil and check it once between oil changes. All this for only $4.00 more a month!

Anyway's, good luck to all of you with your turbo kits, go easy on them until you have timing and fuel control or you too will have a blown engine.

Well we are building an S2000 next month. Turbo baby
Customer came in last week for the quote.
Oh i hope you are doing something with the internals, from what i understand they cant handle more than 4-5 psi.

And its good to see your on here with positve statements for these guys by telling them to sell their cars.
If your happy with what you have great. BUT there is nothing wrong with the protege community going turbo. The S2000 was is a completely different car. Stop comparing it to this market

 

[perfworks]

Yeah, it's a 2000 and it had 29000 miles on it when I bought it. A week later after I bought it I found a 2001 with 25000 miles for the same price.:mad: Oh well, it was the same amount of miles as my MP3. It's also bone stock. And the guy I bought it from was 52 years old. The car is in great shape.


That the great thing about the S2000. It comes with forged pistons and rods straight from the factory. The compression is 11.1:1. The block is aluminum with fabric mesh reinforcement impregnated inside the cylinder walls. There is no need for timing control as long as you don't go above 6psi. Some people have theirs with a smaller pulley pushing about 14psi but they use an intercooler and an AEM piggyback. They are getting close to 380hp. But 300hp is safely attainable with no timing control. Oh, and did I mention 9000rpm. Here's also a great thing with the S2000. If you are only going with 6psi, you can use an FMU to greatly richen up the fuel, then use the VAFC to pull fuel out to tune it to exactly the A/F ratio you want at what RPM. With a turbo setup, you need to control the fuel based on what psi of boost it's at and also what RPM it's at. With a supercharger, boost is RPM dependant so you only need to control fuel based on RPM. And FMU's were designed for SC and not turbos.

Now, if you are crazy for horsepower, there is a guy named Mike Simon that builds F20C motors. He lowers the compression from 11.1:1 to 9:1, replaces the pistons and rods with beefier forged ones, ports and polishes the head, replaces the whole valve train with titanium parts, O-Rings the block. His head is capable of reving to 10,500 to 11,000rpm safely! You pay like $5000 plus your motor as a core return. One person has done this then installed a turbo an gone to like 17psi and got like 450hp to the wheels. 500+ is easily attainable at 2bar.

But me, I'll put on a CAI and Exhaust and I'll be happy. The power is more than enough for me right now. Maybe I'll go SC in a year or two after I'm done with college and have plenty of time on my hands.

Ben what are you talking about. How can you even insist that the car needs NO timing control. The motor was DESIGNED for N/A operation. Forged internals? not for boost only static compression levels that progress with RPM and VE. F/I needs control ESPECIALLY if you rev that high.

 

[perfworks]

And kooldino. your wish is coming true. The management software is out this week.
And spool good points about the fun with the protege

 

[igdrasil]

Hmmm

Ive been looking around the forums about F/I in an S2000. Looks like in this car, the weakest link is the tranny.

Some guy here had to invest 10K in the tranny to run 10psi or more.

 

[perfworks]

there are alot of S2000's out of commision because they dont have managment. They think that with only fuel control they will be fine.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY WONT. THE STATIC COMPRESSION IS 11:1
ADD BOOST AND NO TIMING RETARD AND YOU GET THE REST OF THE STORY.

 

[PaulMP3]

nick call me or pm me as soon as the software is out.

 

[Little Beavis]

Yeah, software, software. . .where is it?

Stage 4?

Where is my Holy Grail that I keep hearing about and being told to search for. . .What. . .already got one? I don't!

 

[perfworks]

nick call me or pm me as soon as the software is out.

Paul i will be at the shop very long hours this week. I have to get projects done for many events. We should be able to accomidate you by thursday. Call me at the shop ( 732) 222-3679
we will make arrangements to install the unit. I already spoke with andy and he has no issue with it.

 

[big_ben]

I like chucking cars around and the S will bite you if you do not respect it.

Oh yes it will indeed! I'm not taking it hard on the car yet because I don't feel like I completely know it yet. I can truely say that I think the MP3 handles just as well as the S2000 but the MP3 is easier to predict because of it's steering ratio.

Oh i hope you are doing something with the internals, from what i understand they cant handle more than 4-5 psi.

From your post I get the impression that you are getting a little hostile and on the attack? I have no idea why? As for not being to handle more than 4 or 5psi, yeah, ....so? At 4-5psi, it's putting down 300 at the rear wheels. Is that not enough? I can count NUMEROUS people with the Comptech S/C on their S2000 and they have over 50,000 miles trouble free. How do you explain that. The Comptech boosts to 6psi at redline. That's clearly more than 4 or 5psi. Any explanation? I'd like to hear it if so.

Ive been looking around the forums about F/I in an S2000. Looks like in this car, the weakest link is the tranny.

No, from what I've read the tranny is fine, it's the rear diff. that people always break. But there is a billet steel reinforcement that is available to remedy that.

there are alot of S2000's out of commision because they dont have managment.

I agree, but it's because they tried to raise the psi further and further until something broke. The people that have stayed at the recommended levels that Comptech has set the SC pulley for, they are fine. No problems. Like I stated before, LOTS of them have 30,000 to 50,000 miles on their SC S2000.

Perfworks, or whatever your name is, I'm not attacking you, so don't take it so damn personal. Go have a beer on me.

 

[Little Beavis]

DAMNIT! THIS IS NOT THE S2000 FORUM!



S2000, Great car, we all love it, none of us compare it to a Protege except you! Go become a Honda salesman. . .you have what it takes. Leave our damn Proteges alone!

Beer. Did someone say beer? Cool.
(drinks)
(cheers)

 

[LinuxRacr]

DAMNIT! THIS IS NOT THE S2000 FORUM!



S2000, Great car, we all love it, none of us compare it to a Protege except you! Go become a Honda salesman. . .you have what it takes. Leave our damn Proteges alone!

Beer. Did someone say beer? Cool.
(drinks)
(cheers)

(werd)
No, I'm not bitter because you beat me in a race. I even told you that I thought you would before we lined up. You have a great car and noone denies that. Look at the engineering. You chose your path to what you wanted. You are satisfied. That's all that matters. Others may choose different roads to something similar to what you have. Good info anyhow, and enjoy your car. Try to keep the ass-end in a straight line ok Ben?

 

[PaulMP3]

No, from what I've read the tranny is fine, it's the rear diff. that people always break. But there is a billet steel reinforcement that is available to remedy that.

I have heard this also.

 

[PaulMP3]

Paul i will be at the shop very long hours this week. I have to get projects done for many events. We should be able to accomidate you by thursday. Call me at the shop ( 732) 222-3679
we will make arrangements to install the unit. I already spoke with andy and he has no issue with it.

i called but you weren't in, i will be getting in touch with you this week. My kit should be on this weekend, as of now we were gonna just go with an FMU, but i would really like to get the piggyback if you have it ready.