All-New 2017 Mazda CX-5 To Be Previewed At Novembers Los Angeles Auto Show?
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They are either in location in this rendering or within the headlight assembly somehow
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- 2022 2.5GT
They are either in location in this rendering or within the headlight assembly somehow
If you zoom in you can see them in the lower grill. The LED fog lights on my 2016 are tiny. These “renderings” are usually astonishingly accurate.
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All-New 2017 Mazda CX-5 To Be Previewed At Novembers Los Angeles Auto Show?
If Mazda can no longer manipulate a better EPA fuel economy rating on CX-5 with 2.0L/manual combo, then they would give up the 6-speed manual!
I'm seriously looking at a new GT, but wanted to wait for the announcement on 11/16 about the new model. Examining the spy shots and comparing to the existing model, it looks like, at a minimum, the cargo area will be growing in length. Hard to tell if that means a wheelbase stretch as well, but the current wheelbase is already on the longer side of the competition. Looks like the IP will be changing too, to be more like the Mazda3/6 with the screen extending out rather than integrated. It will also be interesting to see what content changes they have and if any new features will be offered, such as a power tailgate.
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I like the front, its the rear that is more boxy like a Rogue - on the fence on it. Anyhow seeing pricing for 2017 this will be about a grand or so more feature to feature vs 2016, maybe 1.5K more. Usually features have been added so I see the Touring going upto 28K MSRP.
Manual vs auto has lots to do with emissions.
The auto has full control over the transmission and the throttle. It can use them together to precisely control exactly how the fuel burns. The transmission is designed to work together with the engine to allow for shifts that minimize pollution.
In a manual car things get more unpredictable. The driver can push in the clutch and fully release the throttle at any time.
He also needs the engine to respond the the throttle quickly.
An engine that is tuned to respond to the throttle instantly will produce undesirable emissions (NOX, CO ect. ), so car makers reduce the speed of the opening/closing of the throttle to help limit pollution.
This reduced response shows up as rev-hang. In the CX-5 rev-hang only happens under specific conditions.
Car fully warmed up and shifts from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd under 4000RPM.
Either way, getting a manual transmission car to pass US emissions requires some effort from the manufacturer and with low sales many automakers choose not to put that effort in even-tough the manual transmission is available in may other markets.
Chris_Top_Her
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- San Antonio, Texas
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- '15 CX-5 Miata AWD
Good point. With the tune I get much faster rpm shifting, I can get a nice pop if done with the proper throttle/rpm combo.
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- 2022 2.5GT
What do you mean?
That a manual has higher emissions than an auto with all else being the same, engine etc.
And until recently manuals always got better mileage and in that respect had lower emissions than auto... not any more though as autos have caught up...
232 You can not lug an automatic, it will downshift and raise the rpm in fact if you load the engine hard at any lower rpm and auto will downshift and give you a higher rpm. In a manual you can floor it at any rpm and it will just load up the engine and not downshift unless you do. This high torque/low rpm ability with a manual vs auto can make a difference in pollution...
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- '16.5 Mazda CX-5 Touring
(shrug)
If the emissions are higher from lugging, revving, downshifting, push starting, etc. on a MAN vs AUTO, how does that average out the same?
If the emissions are higher from lugging, revving, downshifting, push starting, etc. on a MAN vs AUTO, how does that average out the same?
I don't think they are...
In that case, could you not drive an automatic in such a way that would produce higher emissions?
Chris_Top_Her
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- San Antonio, Texas
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- '15 CX-5 Miata AWD
With a more aggressive tune and manual mode you can
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- 2022 2.5GT
The reason that auto or CVT or electric traction motors will replace manual transmissions is the same reason manual chokes were removed from cars - because they have a human on the end of them. The point is that emission standards will be tightened to take into account misuse of the vehicle and there are people that ride up and down the street holding it in a low gear either because they are simply ignorant or they like the sound of a revving engine which in most cases equates to the same thing. We are getting to the end of what can be done with fossil fuels in terms of emissions and so things like I-Stop, hybrid/electric or even use of hydrogen cells and other gasses will take over but those technologies are not fully developed so taking the dumb driver out of the equation is amongst the next steps. Whether you choose to believe it is irrelevant, it is coming.
