Adios WRX, hola EVO VII

[gene in cincinnati]

The 350Z and the Skyline have the same engine. The 350Z will not have a Turbo or TT when it arrives as a 2003 model.

Correct me if I am wrong, Shawn, but are you one of those people who think 4-door cars are not sports cars? Just curious.

 

[Shawn]

Hell no. WRX is an awesome sports car. I can name many great 4 door sports cars. It's just that the G35 looks like, a big old family sedan. Like a Maxima. Kick ass engine but a huge commuter car. It doesn't remind me of a quicker smaller looking MP3, WRX, Spec-V, RX-8. All those mentioned sport cars have 4 doors. And it lacks the absolute incredibleness(is this a word? LOL) of a Skyline GTR.I was hoping the 350Z had a turbo, I had no info about it. Looks like the best Z is still the 300Z TT, IMHO.
The R33 and R34 have an inline 6 as well. This new model of American Nissan and Infinity have V6's. It seems like all the highest performance 6-cylanders are inline(Supra, Skyline GTR, M3) Of course there are the odd exception very powerful V6's that someone can partially correct me on.

I just see the G35 and read about it and say. That is not a Skyline. No AWD capabilities, no 4 wheel steering, etc...

 

[gene in cincinnati]

Point well taken. I am glad that Nissan decided not to use the Skyline brand. The G35 is nothing compared to the coupe.

 

[wildman]

WTF
Here's an exerpt from an article on the Mitsu Lancer Evo VII:

Competition is good for the breed. Subaru is expected to counter the Evo VII with its more potent WRX STi. Other powerful transplants are in the works, as Infiniti will soon market the Nissan Skyline sedan as the G35, and Nissan is considering bringing the full-bore Skyline GT-R coupe over to position above the 350Z. Good times are definitely ahead for import performance enthusiasts.

Nissan is bringing the gtr to the USA??

Damn wheres a napkin when u need it......
http://www.motortrend.com/nov01/evo/evo_f.html

 

[Shawn]

I hate to be a pesimist but... The GTR and WRX STi? I'll have to believe it when I see it. Besides the GTR being super expensive and all the other talk I've read about the STi I won't get my hopes up too soon. I don't want to disappoint myself. Because the idea of a Skyline or STi in North America is too good to be true.

I really want this to be true but I'll wait on it and not spread that rumour, yet.

 

[gene in cincinnati]

When I went to the NAIAS in Detroit this year, the Nissan Skyline GT-R concept car was left hand drive. I think that is a sign.

From a Nissan press release: "We are developing a new generation of GT-R for the 21st Century with the aim of placing it in the spotlight of the global stage, beyond the borders of the Japanese market."

 

[wildman]

Shawn WTF are you talking about? Do u even know?
The gtr costs 50K US dollars in Japan. I have seen importers charging about 30K to bring the car here? Do you really think Nissan will sell the car for 80K!!
If you look at the article you would see that they state it will be postitioned over the 350Z. What will the price be for the 350z in the USA? So what, people buy 70-80K for the Dodge Viper, you don't think they would pay that for a gtr? A f'in beast that, in the right hands can produce over 1200HP!!
Get real. Think about what u say b4 u say it!

 

[Shawn]

hmm, looks like you visited the wrong forum. I believe you are looking for the Flamer forum. A little hostile aren't you?

I'm talking about new Skylines. Obviously if Nissan brings Skylines to the US they will be considered new, wouldn't you agree? So lets look at this link shall we: SkylineGTR.com

Hmmm, lets see. A new R34 2001 Vspec II White color, 120 Miles, $95,500 USD. Looks like I was wrong. $70-$80K was too low. More like $95K. Looks like I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. Do you have a better reference for the price of a new Skyline GTR? It doesn't take a genious to understand that you can get a ten year old R32 for $34K.

The 350Z will be a great car but certainly no Skyline GTR. The Skyline has things you will never see on the 350Z such as:
- ATTESA E-TS Pro All-Wheel drive system
- 4 Wheel steering
- 2 Limited Slip Differentials
- Twin Turbo

This to name a few. I like Gene's post. Apparently there will be an actual GTR being released in North America. This will be along with the 350Z, not instead of.

Lets see.. What else did you so rudely point out? Ah yes, the Viper. Well, the Viper can be made into a 1600hp beast. It is not a matter of whether people will pay for it, there are many people with more money than they know what to do with. It is whether Nissan will make a sizable profit if they bring it over. They've waited for 10 years and still it isn't in America. So they must be thinking long and hard about the idea.

Think about what u say b4 u say it! I believe I have thought about what I choose to write.

 

[eeterp]

"the Viper can be made into a 1600hp beast. "


got a dyno chart to match that figure?

 

[Shawn]

Actually I am wrong on that one. The Sir Hiss Viper is the most powerful Viper I know of. It has made 1220hp and equal amounts of tourque. Here is a pic of it: Sir Hiss Viper
More pics
It doesn't have the stats on that page but if you do some research you will see the specs. Looks lke it may be street legal too. I don't know what makes it legal or illegal.
more

Sorry for the misinformation. A GTR does produce more than a Viper. The Veilside GTR made up to 1600hp. I don't know how they do it. There is info about that all over the net.

I must have been thinking about GT3 or something

 

[APEXistud]

Can I point out one thing to those of you who are Viper fanatics. The Skyline R34 produces the numbers it does with 6 cylinders and 2.6 liters. The Viper produces it's number off of 10 cylinders and just under 8 liters. So I think it's safe to say the the Skyline is a bit more technically advanced as far as engineering goes. Don't get me wrong, I'd still take a Viper if someone offered one upto me. But how many Vipers have you seen in person....? I've seen quite a few. Now think of how many R34's you've seen.....? I've only seen 1 and it wasn't on the road. I've seen an R33 rolling aroung my area a few times. Kinda of the same thing that got you to buy your MP3.....They're rare. That's why I bought mine.

Ok, back to the lecture at hand.....hehe. I really hope that the price they have fo the EVO on Motor Trends page stays around there. If it does, I'll be looking to buy one in a year or so....

 

[BigBlue]

Hehe that Viper looks bad ASS! I'd faint if I saw that thing pull up next to me at a red light!

 

[eeterp]

FYI, bmw made a turbo 4-cyl turn 1100hp a bit over 10 years ago.

 

[eeterp]

FYI, bmw made a turbo 4-cyl turn 1100hp a bit over 10 years ago.

Oh yeah, it was a 1.5L engine at that!!!

 

[wildman]

Shawn I apologize for jumpin' on ya earlier, but I think you need to check ur facts tho.
And yes u r right about the price, buts that only half the story......

Why are your prices so high?
We have had to go though all of the mandatory requirements for the DOT and EPA . Including crash testing , air bag testing , and OBD II to meet the Code of Federal Regulation requirements. Since Nissan did not perform any of these requirements , we have independently completed the research and development. The pricing reflects our cost of reseach and development.

Look for "Why are your prices so high?"

That price you quoted, is what Motorex charges to bring the car here, but does not include shipping.

Back to my original quote: think about it b4 u say it!
I'm not flaming on ya.

 

[Shawn]

Ya, I read about that today. Costs a whole lot extra to import it.

"In order to import the vehicle to the US legally it must be imported though Motorex,Inc. .The cost for us to legalize a car for you varies from $16,000 - $25,000 depending on the year of the vehicle. This does not include shipping , bonds ,tarriffs , custom brokerage fee , and associated shipping fees.
The additional cost varies as the bond cost (450% of the value of the vehicle) , and tarriff cost(2.5% of the value of the vehicle) varies with the value of the vehicle , also shipping can be roll on/roll off or container. Expect the other costs to be $4000 - $5000 ."

WOW pricy. SO is the 16-25K part of the $95K or on top of?

I still feel I didn't shoot my mouth off and blurt out a bunch of incorrect facts. All I said was "I doubt anything like the R34 GTR will ever come to North America. Since it would cost at least $60-$80K, I don't think Nissan would bring it here. " When I said "I doubt" and "I don't think" I thought that meant the same as 'in my opinion'. I wasn't claiming any facts. Just IMO stuff.

Oh well...

 

[APEXistud]

Oh yeah, it was a 1.5L engine at that!!!

It was also a turbo'd full out racing engine that never saw the street......We're talking about streetable factory numbers here. If we really need to discuss racing numbers, then let me also point out that Signal Auto of Japan managed to get that very same RB26DET in the Skyline to run in the mid to low 8's in the 1/4 mile....oh yeah, that was on street tires too. My favorite company APEXi also used an R33 with a little over 1000whp at 28 psi and still running the stock 2.6 liter displacement to run mid 8's, that was back in 99'

And I agree with Shawn in saying that Nissan will not bring the R34 to the US. They'll probably release a newer R35 with less power to meet US regulations.

 

[eeterp]

It was also a turbo'd full out racing engine that never saw the street......We're talking about streetable factory numbers here. If we really need to discuss racing numbers, then let me also point out that Signal Auto of Japan managed to get that very same RB26DET in the Skyline to run in the mid to low 8's in the 1/4 mile....oh yeah, that was on street tires too. My favorite company APEXi also used an R33 with a little over 1000whp at 28 psi and still running the stock 2.6 liter displacement to run mid 8's, that was back in 99'

And I agree with Shawn in saying that Nissan will not bring the R34 to the US. They'll probably release a newer R35 with less power to meet US regulations.

riiiiiight, like the streetable 1600hp GTR (stated in earlier post). lol

 

[Shawn]

Did you even look on the net for this 1600hp car? And nowhere did someone mention a 1600hp GTR was streetable. Anyway, I looked, here is some info I found.

There have been aruguments of single and twin turbo set ups for years. The top cars in Japan all run a twin turbo setup, even the mighty Vailside and HKS street/drag cars. They are massive turbos also. The hp figures are insane for an engine under 3 liters in capacity. HKS managed to squeeze over 1600 bhp on a dyno before the motor snapped the titainium con-rods on the dyno. I don't have all the figures on that motor but from what our HKS distributor said they were running over 47psi of boost on race gas and the motor was still making hp at a rapid rate when it let go! WOW. 47 PSI!!
I cannot find more info about this HKS car. But I found some on the Veilside 1300hp R34. Here is a picture of it.

Power, 970 kw / 1300 bhp, Torque, 1146 nm / 849.6 lb-ft.

 

[Shawn]

hmmm, silly pic. Here is a link:
1300hp GTR