Acura TSX vs. Mazda 6 (V6)

[1sty]

[OT] (or not?)
It facinates me that all 1sty does is diss Mazdas and tell us how much better Honda, Acura and Subaru are. Is there a real, valid reason why s/he's a moderator here? I'm not saying anyone has no right to their own opinion - heck, that's waht makes it interesting! But an anti-Mazda mod on a Mazda board? Hmmmm.

Ahh, newbies (rofl)

Let me brake down some history for you cheif.
I was the 5th member of this board.
I was the owned the 1st mazda protege MP3 in New Hampshire and one of the first few in New England.
I was also one of the first 10 to turbo charge an MP3.
Last summer I also purchased a 2003 Protege 5.
THis Febuary I bought a Protege LX.
Until a few months ago I was the most active member this site has. As for being a mod, I am the audio sections moderator becuase I am one of the most knowledgable people in car audio and electronics on this site on top of being a certified installer and until a few month ago an employeed audio installer with Tweeter.

First an formost I am a protege fan! I was here long before the desire to integrate other cars. As for not being impartial, well no s***, its called an opinion, I gave mine. I also said it no less then 5 times, the 6 and TSX are simply cars built for different purposes, one is not better then the other, just different. However, being on a mazda board( Its still a protege board to me) does not mean I will immedatly praise whatever mazda roles out with. I love the protege becuase I felt it was thebest in its class not becuase it was built by mazda. Anyone that blindly fallows by a company name only is a god damn fool. In that respect I can not pretend I like certain aspect of varios mazdas. The funny thing in all this is that I almost baught a Mazda 6s last year when I got the P5, I would have to if the dealer wasn't a scum bag. However I personaly liked the TSX more, its just more my stlye. However the extra $6000 at the time made it a hard choice to pick.

I've never said a subaru was better then a mazda in general. I simply don't make statement like that. What I will say is that one car is better then another in a small catagory like power, accelertion, and interior room. In my opinion, my STi feels larger then my protege(s) atleast from the driver seat. I know that the protege lists more interior room, however, most of that space is not in front of me. Keep in mind, unlike 99.9% of the people here, I can go sit in each of them right now. Both are less then 50 ft away. Also I said the TSX was superior to the 6 in comfort and the impreza was close to the interior space from the drivers perspective. I did say that I find the subaru interior to be better quailty then the protege and I have yet to see a review that didn't agree with me.

If you have this much of a problem with someones opinoin then I think you need to lock yourself in a storage locker and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist. I am sure as hell not going to curb any of my opinions for anyone here.

 

[ashutoshsm]

Ahh, newbies (rofl)

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If you have this much of a problem with someones opinoin then I think you need to lock yourself in a storage locker and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist. I am sure as hell not going to curb any of my opinions for anyone here.

Wow - that's sad.

You started the response off on the wrong foot. Built up to a good set of justifications, and got me all ready to apologize for my friendly question (your ENTIRE <snip>ped section), which lacked any form of insult or insinuations, and then totally ruined it with your ultra-mature closing comments.

Who's the real newbie here?

I already said that having an opinion was cool and I had absolutely no problems with your right to your opinions, just found it weird (without expecting a response) that a Mazda board mod with so many posts was so thoroughly anti-Mazda, to the point of sometimes making ridiculous statements and goading someone (selfishly? jealously? Got 6-envy?) into buying an inferior car (the TSX) - in terms of value-for-money. Your opinions are well within your right ... that's just my opinion of some of your statements

As the audio mod, will you still be friendly and un-newbie enough to answer the questions I'm sure to have as soon when I start upgrading my system, or will you just continue to hold a grudge and use the extreme maturity you've displayed so far (I'm being sarcastic! Just in case it wasn't abundantly clear)

 

[FrigginGLI]

I got a 1/4 mile time of 15.1 in the mazda 6s with MTX. Has magnaflow cat-back and Injen Intake. Bad 60 ft time maybe could have squeeked a 14.9 in there. Stock there is no way it does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds. That new customizer thing has since come out to fixed the air/fuel problem, then maybe mid 6's to 60. The tranny doesnt like to shift quick.

 

[1sty]

Wow - that's sad.

You started the response off on the wrong foot. Built up to a good set of justifications, and got me all ready to apologize for my friendly question (your ENTIRE <snip>ped section), which lacked any form of insult or insinuations, and then totally ruined it with your ultra-mature closing comments.

Who's the real newbie here?

I already said that having an opinion was cool and I had absolutely no problems with your right to your opinions, just found it weird (without expecting a response) that a Mazda board mod with so many posts was so thoroughly anti-Mazda, to the point of sometimes making ridiculous statements and goading someone (selfishly? jealously? Got 6-envy?) into buying an inferior car (the TSX) - in terms of value-for-money. Your opinions are well within your right ... that's just my opinion of some of your statements

As the audio mod, will you still be friendly and un-newbie enough to answer the questions I'm sure to have as soon when I start upgrading my system, or will you just continue to hold a grudge and use the extreme maturity you've displayed so far (I'm being sarcastic! Just in case it wasn't abundantly clear)

Now where did I put that storage locker?
Don't worry I'll find it for ya.

 

[timba24]

Now where did I put that storage locker?
Don't worry I'll find it for ya.

(lol)
how the hell do you lose a storage locker did you put it in storage?

sorry I just have to know LOL

 

[Da 6]

anyone get #'s on the 6 speed Mz6s?

 

[muohio]

As for the heat soak, we have to keep in mind one of the pipes in the MSP has air that is sometimes hotter then the temp under the hood. The mazda6 being NA simply sucks in cool outside air. The MSp on the other hand, has a turo that dramaticly heats the air coming in. SInce metal transfers heat and plastic doesn't, then I have to assume that the MSP stock pipes actualy keep the heat loc into the intake track where as the metal can act as a heat sink to remove some of that heat. Although I think the main reason for theimproved perfomance with metal pipes in the MSP is from a better flow ability from having good bends and no bellow style bends.

I know this is off-topic but let me clarify why MSP owners have heatsoak issues and the plastic pipes. The cause of our heatsoak is in the IC which is meant for a turbo dieasel in Europe. It is very small and lacking ventalation which is why a FMIC is popular. The plastic pipes do not get terribley warm on their own, but rather plastic expands and therefore causes a loss in pressure.

 

[crossbow]

Stock there is no way it does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds

Ya thats why so many stock 6s MTX's have 1/4 times of 14.8, with slips, with proof.

You know alot of times its not the car thats slow, its the driver. Maybe if you can't do 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, you should try adjusting your shifting strategy and launching.

I've gotten 0-60 of 6.7 seconds in the freaking ATX, so I know its possible in the 6s MTX stock.

 

[FrigginGLI]

Stock there is no way it does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds

Ya thats why so many stock 6s MTX's have 1/4 times of 14.8, with slips, with proof.

You know alot of times its not the car thats slow, its the driver. Maybe if you can't do 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, you should try adjusting your shifting strategy and launching.

I've gotten 0-60 of 6.7 seconds in the freaking ATX, so I know its possible in the 6s MTX stock.

Could be the driver front wheel drive is tough to launch. I just dont see how with about 160 whp and about 160 wtq in the auto 6S you can get 0-60 in 6.7.

 

[Da 6]

yeah if you are launching with tcs on....then yeah the times are gonna reflect that....(lol)

launching with mtx fwd...

Hold down clutch...depress go peadl till desired rpm is acheved...lego clutch

launching with atx fwd

dold down brake...depres go pedal for no longer than 6 seconds!! then lego brake

one car you would have difulcty launcing in fwd is SRT-4..1st 3 gears are tire spin(yes)

 

[crossbow]

Could be the driver front wheel drive is tough to launch. I just dont see how with about 160 whp and about 160 wtq in the auto 6S you can get 0-60 in 6.7.

Car had aftermarket tires, lightweight wheels (34.2 vs 48 stock), injen intake, 1/4 tank of gas, and it was like 45F outside .

Stock 6s ATX's btw are pushing 150-160 WHP...

 

[FrigginGLI]

Car had aftermarket tires, lightweight wheels (34.2 vs 48 stock), injen intake, 1/4 tank of gas, and it was like 45F outside .

Stock 6s ATX's btw are pushing 150-160 WHP...

This makes more sense then. Never 45F here in Florida.

 

[muohio]

Could be the driver front wheel drive is tough to launch. I just dont see how with about 160 whp and about 160 wtq in the auto 6S you can get 0-60 in 6.7.

I concur after spending a lot of time in a ATX 6s before my Mazdaspeed Protege. There is no way in hell that the 6 was faster than the MSP stock vs. stock. The Grand Prix GTP is a lot faster than the 6 and it can only muster high 6s if I'm not mistaken.