A Letter to My Son...a must read

[TStar]

well we can all be as EDUCATED as the germans who fell for hitlers belief of the real world he could create for them

that is exactly what i said: there are a few mistakes that can be made only once. as soon as you understand what happened you are immune.

where do you get off talking this s*** about a country you see with your own blinders on.
like we havent seen the bulls*** propaganda spewing from your tv and news channels.

there are 2 major channels in germany that talk crap all day long: "rtl" and "sat1", their news would be an equal to your "fox news"... if you watch them too long your brain might get damaged indeed.
and maybe you should know that we do not only receive german news but english,french etc.... it is pretty weird actually that the european journalists pretty much agree in this case. nevertheless we prefer to make up our own thoughts.

its amazing that we are always the bad guys
BUT when you need money or help with any confrontation who do you call?

ahm, what? what money are you talking about?
and: as you might have noticed we do not get involved in struggles and wars every now and then. or what do you mean exactly by "you" ? the "world outside the usa" ???

any way you know what stay in your country and mind your own buisness and well take CARE of buisness!!

don't be childish, those flowery phrases like "taking care of business" or "doing the job" are perverted words when it is nothing else but -violence-. where does this obscene complacency come from ?

 

[saided18]

no i was not given mixed messages.

i was just asking a question.

People now say why are we at war with Iraq. Iraq could never harm the US and we are a big bully.

My argument was where were all these anit-war people when the war in Serbia was going on? Why weren't they saying why are we going to war in Serbia just as they are saying about the war with Iraq. Why weren't they prostesting that War. The US has less of a reason to go to war with Serbia then Iraq but it seem people feel more strongly agianst the war in Iraq then the war in Serbia?

Why is this? that is my question.

Also i was all for the war in Serbia b/c not only Albanians were being opressed but Bosnians and croations were oppressed too. I mean really oppressed. Molosivic, how every you spell his name, was a murdder and should have been dealt with along time ago but NO ONE IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY wanted to deal with it. The WORLD COMMUNITY let that guy MASS MURDDER people NAZI style while standing by and doing nothing!!!!!!!

and Sir that is how much you know about politics and reason behind things. The reason why we went with NATO instead of the UN was not b/c of speading war of blah blah blah. It was b/c Russia has veto power over and UN resolution and guess what they are VERY close Allies with Serbia and would fight tooth and nail to defeat and UN resolution against Serbia!

aslo we had major problems with in NATO with spys and stuff b/c countries like Greece are allies with Serbia and leak information to serbia. That how a US F117A- stealth fighter was shot down.

There are good things and bad things about forming very large colalitions. good things are that every one is behind you. Bad things are that people that say they are your allies might be stabing you in the back.

it remians the fact that that the US does not need any one permission to defend herself. not from France not from Russia and not from germany!

but you tell me how the US can try to debeat and figure out this problem while a country like France say it will VETO ANY resolution aginst Iraq? any reslution.

every one says that this war is all about Oil. Well it is for France. France doesn't care if Saddam wants to destroy the USA as long as it gets it's cheap oil from Iraq.

And there lies the problem of the WORLD community. Why should Russia, France and Germany CARE if some country wants to destroy the US. WHY should they? it doesn't effect them. aslong as they can buy cheap oil and sell weapons to Saddam who cares right??

and please stop with the we use to be allies with Saddam and how we put him in power blah blah blah. yeah we made a mistake. we put a crazy phsyco in power and we are going to take him out.

some times war makes strange bed pals. hey we were allies with Russia during WWII and right and after the war he became our enemy. does that make it wrong that we were allies with Stallin? Hell he was even worse the Saddam. Far worse then Saddam. so by you logic you would think FRD (one of the greatest Presidents that ever lived.) was a fool and a dumb ass to ally him self with Russia???

ans aslo why don't you ask the people of Iraq if it is a good idea if the USA takes out Saddam. i think they would say yeah. Just look at the footage coming out of Basara and all the people garthering around the GB solidier and thanking them for help them. and please tell me that is all stages and propaganda. that would be the day.

its ok to be skeptical. every one should question everything that comes out of the government. but don't go over board. Don't turn into those people that think that the landings on the moon in the 1960's-70's was all a hoax and was staged and filmed in a hollywood sounds stage. i have faith in my President and that he will do the right thing. and i think more people should have faith in him.

 

[yashooa]

heheh

This is a pre-emptive post to whatever Sleeper will post to my previous post...

SHUT THE **** UP

GOD bless America. Where else in the world do you find such fine slang verbage. Well said Unwritten well said indeed.

 

[yashooa]

Oh so sleepy

Hmm lets see Sleeper. That's a perfect name for you. Because it is painfully obvious the part of your psychology that actually absorbs fact and compiles non-rhetorical reasonable thoughts is in-fact asleep. Quick wake that dormant analytical center up before it makes the transition from level 4 sleep down to the unreachable depths of a permanent coma.

 

[sleeper_]

umm. thanks for the attack. riight.
now back on topic...

 

[brokemp3]

bla bla bla. everybody that is against the war becasue they love peace are a bunch of jackasses. they love pace but start riots durring a potest. who is going to give peace to the poor bastards who got to live with that jackass in iraq. its easy to say peace over here when you dont have anything to do with the people that are in those areas. how many of you antiwar fuckers would go over to iraq to help the people over there if we just pulled out of iraq. are you going to go over there and bury the innocent people that he kills by the thousands,for the simple fact that he does not like them. are you going to call for peace when he has the ability to launch nuclear/chemical and biological weapons against other people. what does it take for you people to see what kind of person he is. if your next door neighbor killed everyone at your local school would you ask for peace and not do anything about it. i dont think so. there should be no question about what we are doing is right or not like i said its easy to turn your back when its not on your front yard but if it was you, you would all be begging for help. i m sick of listing to a bunch of uniformed people who have no idea abut what they are taking about judge people who are trying to make things better for other people. yeah innocent people are going to die but that's life. for all the people who b**** we should take aways your freedoms and rights and see what you would be willing to do to get them back. then let me hear you run your mouths about peace

 

[TStar]

hey saided18, there is actually something interesting in these questions.

the us soldiers went to serbia for the same reasons as the germans, the english, the french and the italians did: to prevent an upcoming genocide.
the conflict between the in former yugoslavia is more than 300 years old. when the turks fell over the balkan in ~1680 (former yugoslavia was closely allied to the austrian empire (which was a huge empire at that time)) the croation people tried to defend this empire against the masses of turks that ran over their country. but unfortunately the serbs which were attacked first due to their geographical position already gave up the fight and partly even allied with the turks and fought against the western part of yugoslavia. masses of people were killed and from that moment on it was impossible for them to live in the same country as the traitors.
through the centuries a deep hate between both groups which resulted in a split of yugoslavai, but still a lot of the ethnic "enemies" lived in the other parts of former yugoslavia. milosovic actually was a serbian dictator which had the goal to get anybody else out of serbia by most brutal means. he established concentration camps, commited mass murders etc.
at that point the western allies decided to prevent him from doing that.
besides that noone would have had an idea about the consequences for the whole balkan if this genocide would have happened. quite a few wars could have started in this area which is actually the direct border to quite a few nato-nations.

you ask yourself why there were no demonstrations against this war?
i could really understand if people had demonstrated against this war because it had a a major flaw: there was no given un-mandatory for that and it was impossible to get one just in time due to the russian veto right.
i believe people around the globe never had any doubt about the motives the allies had or about the methods they used.
in contrast to that the people feel that the iraqi war (and please do not call it "operation iraqi freedom") is based on too many lies and hidden motives and is operated by inhuman means.

it remians the fact that that the US does not need any one permission to defend herself. not from France not from Russia and not from germany!

yes, that is true. and there is one thing you can believe: as soon as there is a military danger to be seen the the nato countries will also be there to assist you.

And there lies the problem of the WORLD community. Why should Russia, France and Germany CARE if some country wants to destroy the US. WHY should they? it doesn't effect them. aslong as they can buy cheap oil and sell weapons to Saddam who cares right??

i don't believe you are serious about that.

Just look at the footage coming out of Basara and all the people garthering around the GB solidier and thanking them for help them. and please tell me that is all stages and propaganda. that would be the day.

ask yourself: what would you do if 100 armed enemy soldiers come up to your town? most probably i would also shutup and smile in order to not get shot down.
ask again: even if half of the people don't like saddam, would that mean that they agree with a war? maybe they prefer to solve problems on their own if they feel that the time has come?
what do you tell the people who lost friends or relatives which were shot or bombed to death? do you believe they appreciate your heroic job?

@brokemp3:
your post was horrid

 

[saided18]

yeah see exactly my point!! you can not believe that maybe just maybe the people of Iraq are HAPPY that the USA came to free them????? you can not. why not.

were all the pictures of the Albanians cheering when NATO forces fake cheers. that they were scared that NATO troops were going to shot them??

oh yeah and by the way i don't need your history lesson b/c i am from the area and know the history all to well.

oh and how we forget to. the war in Serbia happen about the same time has the the senate impeachment hearing too. hmmm sounds kinda fishy to me. can any one say "Wag the Dog"?

now before you get your panties in a buch i am not saying that Clinton started the war to draw attention from the impeachment hearings. I am mearing connecting dots like you people do.
You people CAN NOT believe that soem one would go help some one. there has to be secret motives that we don't know about.

oh yeah in Kosova there is a HUGE gold mine. hmm maybe president Clinton started the war in Kosova b/c he wanted to get himself rich of the gold mine. maybe?
yet again i don't believe this but i am conntecting the dots like you people do.


also there WERE mass demonstration around the world agianst the war in Kosova but not that much in the USA. France was against the war the whole time. and we learned our lesson from that war and building "broad coalitions". There were countires stabing the US in the back aka the shooting of the stealth fighter which is alomst impossible to shoot down.

the fact remains that you do not like President Bush. b/c it was OK for Clinton to "Free" the Albanians and his motives were good and honest but when Pres Bush wants to "Free" Iraqi's then he is a Evil guy that has other motives and doesn't care about Iraqi's or any one else.

that fact remains a murdder and Evil person Saddam will be out of power and hopefully killed and that is a good thing not a bad thing.


and let me end this by qouting a WW II veteran. and he said while tears ran down his face. "If we had a President like G. W. Bush back in 1930's that stood up and did what was right and stopped Hitler in his early stages when he broke restriction that were imposed on Germany at the end of WW I then there would have never been a WWII and millions of people would have never died"

please read that carefully and see what that man said and then carefully rethink you opinion

 

[saided18]

ask yourself: what would you do if 100 armed enemy soldiers come up to your town? most probably i would also shutup and smile in order to not get shot down

why do you think they see the GB troops as enemies?? do you have some kinda of mind reading skills??? maybe they are really happy that they are free? think about that!

 

[Familia323]

Familia323 please give tell m the "REAL" reason why the USA went to war on Serbia since you know everything?

i have asked you many times but you have yet to answer me? i guess you have no answer nd you know you are just an anti-american.

First off... I dont claim to know everything... and Second, in no way shape or form has anything I have said come close to claiming that I knew everything... ....Also, if there weren't people out there to question things, then how would we make progress towards the future? And why this sudden attack against me? I thought we came to an understanding? Honestly I couldnt tell you the "real" reason, because Im not US governement. And I don't see how you can know the "REAL" reason either. We can only have our own opinions.. and I dont see the need to share mine since all you are trying to do is prove my "Anti-Americanism." And if I was, so what? That doesnt mean Im against the purpose of the war. I may not like everything that America does, but when I speak out against it, dont call me anti american..

 

[changedman]

I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN

(usa)(usa)(thumb)

 

[Maxx Mazda]

That "letter" was the biggest bunch of bulls*** ever. Bush is a war monger. **** I'm mad at this... Exactly what one of the first few posts said. Take out the man, but you kill his family and a few of his neighbors too... Fucken stupid.

 

[1st Gen]

quite a good story. Its funny to see that kid getting hit in the face with a ball after such a patriotic sotry, lol.

here is another viewpoint my roomates professor e-mailed to the class:

To my students: "I told you so."


Back in 1999 after looking at the sanctions program against Iraq and the NATO war against Yugoslavia, I made a few predictions to my students which I have reiterated each subsequent year. Those predictions were as follows:

1. The U.S. would invade Iraq.

2. The U.S. would project military power into the Caspian - Central Asia region.

3. The European Union would seek to dissociate itself from U.S. foreign policy and
chart its own course.

Why did I make these predictions and why have they come true?

Foretelling a U.S. war against Iraq was fairly easy to do. The explanation is that the U.S. backed sanctions program was designed to destroy the country economically and militarily; in effect, it was a form of siege warfare designed to degrade the target (Iraq) making it much easier to conquer. Added to the sanctions program was the imposition of northern and southern "no-fly" zones which not only effectively denied to the Iraqi military the airspace over the country's northern and southern perimeters but also allowed the U.S. and UK air forces to bomb northern and southern Iraq to pieces on a regular basis. The U.S. thus softened up the invasion routes for the conquest of Iraq. In short, the coming war represents a continuation of the ongoing war against Iraq. It will be Phase III. Phase I was Desert Storm - kicking Iraq out of Kuwait. Not knowing how the Iraqi Army would perform on its home soil and not having a suitable replacement for Saddam Hussein, the U.S. began Phase II - siege warfare plus bombing to reduce Iraqi defenses while a replacement could be found for Hussein. This low intensity warfare has finally accomplished its task and now the "necessary" reasons for invasion have been trotted out to justify the war and occupation.

"But why invade Iraq?", the students asked. Answer: The Baath regime (which the U.S. helped come to power in 1963 by assisting its coup against a previous Iraqi government) no longer served as the compliant vassal of U.S. political economic interests in the region. The Baath's eventual leader, Saddam Hussein - like other U.S. protgs before him (Ngo Dinh Diem in Viet Nam, Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines, Manuel Noreiga in Panama) developed illusions of autonomy and began to pursue policies inimical to the visions of Washington. In seeking to expand his role as a grand Arab leader free of U.S. constraints, Hussein "crossed the line". His crimes which heretofore had been ignored were given wide airplay to shift public opinion against him. (When he was seen as an agent of U.S. policy, those crimes were conveniently ignored. One of my favorite pictures on my desk is the 1983 photo of Ronald Reagan's special Middle East envoy, Donald Rumsfeld - yes, that Rumsfeld! - shaking hands with Saddam Hussein in Baghdad; soon thereafter, the U.S. began supplying biochem weapons to Iraq.)
The occupation of Iraq will allow the U.S. to reassert control of the oil fields which had been contracted out to foreign competitors (France, Russia, and China) and also to position itself militarily on the western flank of Iran (the other part of the "axis of evil"). With this move, the U.S. will have Iran almost surrounded: American troops are on Iran's eastern flank in Afghanistan, southern flank with the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf, and western border in Iraq. With the Iraq "threat" erased after the removal of Hussein, watch the White House and media develop the new "threat": Iran.

This extension of U.S. military might throughout the Middle East/Persian Gulf region into Central Asia (the 'stans) is a process that extends back to the fall of the old American ally, the Shah of Iran, and the subsequent loss of Persian oilfields to U.S. control. Since 1980 the U.S. has built up its airlift and sealift capabilities in the region and developed new bases to preposition itself for war. In 1997 the Army dropped 500 paratroopers into Kazakhstan to test its airlift capabilities for war in Central Asia and in 1999 took Central Asia out of the Pacific Command and put it into the Central Command which oversees the oil rich Middle East. This put the Central Asian countries (which abut the Caspian Sea and Iran) into the sphere of plans for Mideast warfare.



New predictions:

1. The Iraqi oilfields will not be put in the hands of the Iraqi people; they will
be privatized and awarded to appropriate corporate investors.

2. The French, Russians, and Chinese will lose their existing contracts to
develop the Iraqi oilfields and Exxon Mobil, Chevron Texaco, and British
Petroleum will become the major players in Iraq. The rebuilding of the
damaged oilfields will go to Vice-President Dick Cheney's old company,
Halliburton.

3. None of the foregoing will constitute "proof" that the war was for oil profits.
It will simply be "coincidence".

4. Democracy will NOT come to Iraq. What will happen is that some very rich
exiled Iraqi who has made it clear in the past several months to the State
Department and CIA that he is and will be forever and ever in complete
agreement with what ever the Americans want in Iraq shall become the new
ruler. He will be labeled by the U.S. press as a democratic wonder and indeed
may have the trappings of "elections" (just as Hussein had "elections").
But the people of Iraq will be no more "free" than the people of Kuwait are
today (even though we "liberated" them 12 years ago).

5. Iraq will not be rebuilt into an affluent middle class nation. Oil profits will
flow to a small upper class and the mass of people will be forgotten by the
prowar crowd and the government that waged the war to save the Iraqi people
from Hussein. Eventually the misery of the Iraqi people will be blamed on the
Iraqis themselves.

6. The Kurdish problem will not go away because the Turks (the "allies" Bush
tried to buy for 26 billion dollars) will not accept a Kurdish nation.

7. Bush will not solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; on the contrary, it's not
unlikely that the Sharon government might use this war for some "population
transfer" under the rationale of fighting terrorism.

8. The U.S. war against Iraq will further the efforts of the EU, Russia, and China
to develop the political and military strength to check the U.S. This will be a
longterm process but they will either do it or become vassals. Their main fear is
not that ExxonMobil gets Iraqi oil profits but that the U.S. will have effective
military control over the bulk of their oil supplies from Saudi Arabia though Iraq
to the new fields of the Caspian. Such control will give the U.S. unprecedented
leverage over these nations because the U.S. will dominate a region containing
70% of the world's energy reserves.

9. Watch the White House and the media begin to increase the demonization of
Iran. Pressure will be put on Tehran to submit to U.S. demands. If the leadership
in Iran fails to comply with U.S. demands, then America will be "forced" to stand
up to another threat to world peace.


That's enough for now. March 18, 2003
Chuck OConnell/UCI

(bowdown) I've heard variations of this but your post fills some gaps for me. I know its speculation but I think youre definitely on to something. Thanks for this.

 

[jersey_emt]

omgwtfthreeyearbumpage

 

[Killer]

Hey its ok becuase the bush administration is doing the right thing by going to get rid of saddam common guys this is good for the US who cares about our economy and our rights or anyone else outside of the US for that matter and if you havent noticed we are slowly setting up "democractic" sattilite governments in place all over the middle east to do what we want! I love imperialism! This rules! We are like taking over the world secretly and with "justified reasons" like getting rid of all the "weapons of mass destruction" ect. ect. funny how we havent found a single shred of crucial evidence, but its ok becuase we arent losing any soldiers in this war due to enemy fire becuase we just say they were killed by friendly fire so we dont have to look stupid. We are playing a brilliant chess game and so far we have a great offensive going. I just hope the other countries of the world dont catch on and start ganging up on us for a counter-offensive and bringing this "war" to our soil.... I cant wait untill I can vote this idiot out of office... *GOD BLESS AMERICA* becuase GOD is on our side right? Common people think for crying out loud!! What would jesus do? I DONT THINK HE WOULD DO WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW!

Jesus...ever hear of punctuation?(pissed)

 

[Killer]

as far as the rest of this thread goes...

Cliffs Notes PLEASE!